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Tutoring Work in Shanghai 20,000 RMB/month+?
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davidjfrancis



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ever-changing Cleric"

[quote="Non Sequitur wrote:
Isn't taking money illegally, sponging off the taxpayer? Get the services but don't pay for them.

What services? What are you getting in return for your tax $ in China?

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Street lights, street cleaning, police, new roads, over-passes, under-passes, airports, schools and universities to work in. That kind of stuff.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't recall the poster saying it was off the books. Part-time work is not illegal if you are otherwise authorized to work. If the poster were American, the private lessons, although conducted in China, would be reportable to the IRS and taxable as self-employment income. Perhaps if the poster could show that taxes had already been paid on the income, to the Chinese government, then the income would be deemed exempt from U.S. taxes. Point is, the taxes have to be paid to one government or the other.

Reporting it to the IRS is a straightforward process; there's a form for it. How self-employment income might be reported to the Chinese tax authorities, I don't know. Anyway, I don't see where any laws are necessarily being broken either technically or in spirit. Laws might be broken if the poster is either not authorized to work at all or isn't paying the taxes anywhere.
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samhouston



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
IRS

Laughing

I thought working/earning money here was allowed only for the employer tied to your RP/FEC. And what constitutes full-time? I only work 25 hours a week at my school in total. Sounds part-time to me. Maybe I've been legal this entire time!
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sharonariel



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, is it just me or does something sound fishy here?

1. 25,000 per month is the equivalent of 125 hours at the rate of 200 per hour. In a city like Guangzhou, there are so many people that I can't imagine the need to pay that much for a foreigner.

2. 125 hours per month works out to about 31 hours per week (31.25 to be precise). Imagine that is over 15 different jobs and one hour of travel time is needed between jobs. That works out to about 46 hours per week. The perfectly reasonable amount of 40RMB per trip (20 going and 20 coming) works out to 2400 per month in trip fees. If you say that you have a car in China, then you have a license. And if you have a license, then someowhere along the line you need papers to be in the country legally.

3. 30,000 in Shanghai? Give me a break. The cities where everyone wants to be are the ones where wages are lowest. They probably have people working in Shanghai for 6-7K per month *because schools can find people at that price.* Two idiots that left a school at which I worked before had to spend some huge amount of time in the police station getting a student visa because the school that they were working for (in Shanghai, part time) couldn't be bothered to get them a working visa.
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Mr. English



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well as I said, just over 30 hours a week at just under 200 per hour. Perhaps your imagination is lacking; my speciality is law and I get this rate regularly; there are many lawyers in Guangzhou who must communicate with foreigners in writing and speaking. There are well-off people who want not just anyone as a teacher but someone with the right skill set, and not just lawyers; many of my students are lawyers but by no means all. I also work with designers, financial analysts, and children. I do not spend one hour traveling from job to job. Many come to me, and most of those who do not are within a 15-minute walk. I do not have a car and do not need a car. 30,000 in Shanghai? Definitely do-able.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

davidjfrancis wrote:
The Ever-changing Cleric wrote:


Non Sequitur wrote:
Isn't taking money illegally, sponging off the taxpayer? Get the services but don't pay for them.

What services? What are you getting in return for your tax $ in China?

Street lights, street cleaning, police, new roads, over-passes, under-passes, airports, schools and universities to work in. That kind of stuff.

Most of what you list is public infrastructure that anyone and everyone makes use of whether or not they pay taxes. I was referring to benefits and services that foreign guest workers are entitled to. What those benefits and services are can be found in a previous post i made on this thread. In china these do not exist.
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A'Moo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. English wrote:
; there are many lawyers in Guangzhou who must communicate with foreigners in writing and speaking. There are well-off people who want not just anyone as a teacher but someone with the right skill set, and not just lawyers; many of my students are lawyers but by no means all. .

These people, in general, do not know English and have no interest in learning at all. Thats what they have the fresh college grad 22 year old girl in tow at 1500y a month for.
Remember, in China, the HOTTEST chicks, the WEALTHIEST businessmen, the most POWERFUL politicians, in general, do not speak english...
They dont have to.
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