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meteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Is it even possible anymore? Reply with quote

Having worked in the EFL industry for quite some time now, I have always thought about going solo and setting up my own school in the UK. With the number of contacts that I have worldwide, recruiting students would be quite easy. However, with the growing number of restrictions on the EFL industry in the UK, e.g. visa regulations, minimum level of English, etc, I'm wondering if this is even possible any more.

Firstly, to be able to recruit students outside of the EU you would need to be on the UKBA sponsor register. To do this, you need to be accredited by the British Council. To be accredited by the BC, you need to have been operating for at least 12 months......

That means that you would only be able to teach EU students for a year who pay relatively low fees in comparison to non-EU students or non-EU students on dependent visas.

How do you do it? How does one set up these days? Is it even possible anymore?
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, with the growing number of restrictions on the EFL industry in the UK, e.g. visa regulations, minimum level of English, etc, I'm wondering if this is even possible any more.

Firstly, to be able to recruit students outside of the EU you would need to be on the UKBA sponsor register. To do this, you need to be accredited by the British Council. To be accredited by the BC, you need to have been operating for at least 12 months......

Wow, that's tough. This seems to be in keeping with immigration regulations being tightened up in many countries. I think in Australia, for example, something similar has taken place and foreign students there now have also had the number of hours for legal part-time work reduced. There was discussion about that, anyway. Policies such as these are designed to appease the public shouting about "foreigners", unemployment figures (and housing availability) but they really hit all educational organisations that provide for international students. It seems destined to make a possible area of work that's already very challenging even harder or impossible.

Actively advertising for and recruiting students is one thing, in terms of this register, but what about non EU students already in the UK or travelling there off their own bat? How would that be regulated in terms of your teaching them in your school? The issue would be whether or not they could get visas to study English and I suppose they have to be for approved courses. It looks like there is no way around that. It's the 12 months of operation requirement that is ridiculous and means the existing schools really have it sewn up.
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meteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The legal working hours for students was also reduced in the UK. On a Tier 4 student visa, students are now only allowed to work for 10 hours during term time, which is a massive blow for the likes of South American students who NEED to work in order to fund their studies.

Actively promoting a new school will obviously help to bring in students, but again it's only going to bring in student who are already here. Those who are already here would be studying under the sponsorship of another school (unless EU or a dependent) which means that they would need to change sponsors in order to study at 'my' school. However, that would mean that I would have to be on the UKBA sponsor register, which means that I would have to have BC accreditation, which means that I would have to have been operating for 12 months......

It's a vicious circle and I don't see anyway around it......any suggestions??? There surely has to be a loop hole or it's the end of new business for the EFL industry in the UK.
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meteacher wrote:
that they would need to change sponsors in order to study at 'my' school. However, that would mean that I would have to be on the UKBA sponsor register, which means that I would have to have BC accreditation, which means that I would have to have been operating for 12 months......

It's a vicious circle and I don't see anyway around it......any suggestions??? There surely has to be a loop hole or it's the end of new business for the EFL industry in the UK.
It's worse than that mate - to take over sponsorship of a student from another institution, you need to be HTS-rated rather than just plain old vanilla A-rated under the UKBA sponsorship scheme.

The scrap the government have thrown the UK sector is the Extended Student Visitor Visa - it's valid for 11 months. However, the student can't work, and I don't think the sponsorship is transferable. Moreover, it can't be extended. On the flip side, it's much easier to get than the Tier 4 GSV.

While the foreign sponsored students come with guaranteed income, the rules of the sponsoring governments stipulate how much they will pay and how many hours a week the students are required to study. The Saudi students in the UK, for example, are required to study for a minimum of 19 hours a week. The money the government are willing to pay, though, is, in my experience, very low. So low, in fact that it's actually rather difficult to turn a profit from teaching ME students. They do, though, represent a good way to keep cashflow coming through the school during the otherwise very quiet winter months. Western European students are actually the primary source of income at the school I DoSed at until recently. They come for short periods - 3 or so weeks - which generate high revenue against the bulk-buy markdown that many schools operate.

Where did you get the "operating for 12 months before initial inspection" figure from? I don't remember ever seeing, but I may have missed it as I worked for an established school.

Perhaps the simplest thing for you to do would be to open a seasonal centre open for less than 6 months and, naturally, focussing on the summer market. A couple of seasons of that would give you the experience and background, and you wouldn't have the painful winter months to worry about. You could then apply for accreditation for the summer school, allowing you to enter the roll of sponsors, and then immediately on receiving your sponsor status claim accreditation for a year-round centre. This would trigger at least a spot check, perhaps even a full reinspection, but you wold be able to claim accreditation until such time as the BC pull their fingers out and inspect, which, of course, you'd pass.
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meteacher



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 12 month rule is written into most accreditation handbooks, including the BC and ABLS....two of the main EFL accrediting bodies. It's a nightmare. The seasonal thing is an option, but you become and accredited seasonal provider and I'm not sure if you would need to open as a year-round centre (again for a certain period of time) in order for the accreditation to apply. I think this is literally the only way in now though and it raises the question of how the EFL industry will survive if this is the only way that new operations can start! Insane!

The UKBA are not helping at all, but hey ho.....
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With my establishment, we opened a YL centre and claimed accredited status straight away. The BC then arranged a full inspection of the centre, upon which full accreditation for the new provision would then have been awarded upon successfully passing the inspection. I left before the summer school opened, so I don't know what will happen.

I'd suggest that your only option then would be to start your own, EU-focused school, for which no accreditation is necessary, then submitting for accreditation, then submitting for HTS status as soon as possible - the rules for HTS currently ask for a year of sponsorship records. This will obviously be with ESVVs rather than GSVs guven the rules that are soon to come in to place. Basically, though, the era of EFL schools sponsoring non-EU nationals is effectively over, barring some radical change in policy.

As I indicated in my last post, however, in my opinion, sponsored students and non-EU nationals isn't where the money is to be made. The sponsored students come with some pretty stringent financial strings attached, and the non-sponsored students rich enough to afford the UK are thin enough on the ground to make other countries - pretty much anywhere else,actually - more financially appealing. The cost of living and the cost of tuition in the UK are just too damned high.
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to add to this, but the new passion about immigration - rather foolish given that it is an industry with foreign money flowing in - is even more damaging to TEFL and may well reduce the overall customer base. Sorry, but if you have a taste for being an entrepreneur and are not committed to the UK, I would try abroad. Why not try somewhere like Poland? Big committed market; adults want English to enhance their holidays in western Europe, adolescents get sent by their parents..
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Mrs McClusky



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When students come to learn, let them in. When whole families come to sponge, close the door.
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just the kind of comment that fuels the immigration 'debate' that is likely to destroy what exists of TEFL in the UK.
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESOL - it gets worse. I am told that ESOL courses in further education are now only to be free to students on full benefits. So there'll be more experienced teachers out there in the market place. (Guess the government heeds the words about all those naughty hangers-on; they only want to help fully-fledged hangers-on!)
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