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Am I doomed without two years of experience?
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Captain_Fil



Joined: 06 Jan 2011
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Location: California - the land of fruits and nuts

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: Am I doomed without two years of experience? Reply with quote

Hello everyone.

I've been hearing that two years of experience is required to gain employment in TEFL.

Is this true? Shocked

Or, are there ways around this requirement? Confused

I had been planning to finish my CELTA certification this year. And next year, I would start my first TEFL job in Asia.

I had also been planning to enhance my opportunities with, at the very least, six months of volunteer ESL teaching to immigrants in California.

As some of you already know, I have a US passport and a BA degree from San Francisco State University. I just need certification and experience.

However, if two years of experience is absolutely required - my current plans are shot. Sad

Any hope for my plans?


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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who told you that? It would be impossible for anyone to get started if we all needed two years of experience to get our first job!

University jobs and international schools generally require experience. Private language schools might request experience, but they are often newbie-friendly.

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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with denise. It's just not possible to start a career ("gain employment" = get a job) if you need 2 years of experience already. Worse than a Catch-22.

So, what exactly did you hear?

And, where in Asia are you interested? It's a big place.
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the only place that (officially) requires 2 years of experience is China and that is not written in stone.

Any of the other countries where "entry level" ESL is common (Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, ANY OF central and south America) do NOT require "experience" for purposes of gaining a visa.

Employers MAY ask for it. They may also ASK for a CELTA, MA, Ph.D, etc but what they ask for and what they will accept are 2 very different things.

In Thailand as an example, you will be required to have a degree to gain LEGAL employment. Your employer may ask for (and hope that you have) a CELTA or other TESOL cert. and/or many years of experience but they WILL settle for what they can get when they can get it (usually just an unrelated degree).

The same can be said of ALL the entry level jobs in ESL in Asia.

Your degree meets the requirements of ALL the countries in Asia for gaining a work visa to teach ESL.

EVERYTHING else is just icing on the cake (for the employer) but (having said all that) it does make you more desirable when you are competing against anyone else with something less to offer.

Back to answer the question: No, 2 years is NOT a written in stone requirement to teach ESL anywhere that you (as an American) can legally teach.

Having a degree and a pulse usually are.

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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are entry level jobs all over. Even China, where they "require" two years. Just check the job boards.

tttompatz wrote:
Any of the other countries where "entry level" ESL is common (Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, ANY OF central and south America) do NOT require "experience" for purposes of gaining a visa..


Unfortunately in many Latin American countries you won't be getting a visa.

tttompatz wrote:
Having a degree and a pulse usually are .

Very true. I've seen blonde haired blue eyed Russian who can barely speak English get the job over dark haired, dark skinned Americans.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:

Unfortunately in many Latin American countries you won't be getting a visa.


As true as that is it has nothing to do with whether or not he has "2 years of experience".

It is a government / employer issue (re:visas) not an experience issue.

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Old Surrender



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China's two-year rule is open to interpretation of the province that your job is. Shanghai, Beijing, and other areas that are popular are pretty strict. Some places don't seem to care.

It also comes down to your employer's connections with the government. If they have the connections, then the two-year rule vanishes.

Korea and Taiwan are newbie-friendly.
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Captain_Fil



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Location: California - the land of fruits and nuts

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone.

I feel as if a big weight has been lifted off my shoulders. (The burdensome weight of inexperience.)

Time to put my plans into motion.

I'm just limitless.

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