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sisyphus



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:50 pm    Post subject: If you were starting a business in EFL Reply with quote

In what area would you begin? I mean Children, Firms, Soft Skills?

Seems to me the 'General English' trade has died a death in Europe. Confused
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riverboat



Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Paris, France

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Paris it would have to be Business English. If I was setting up as a freelance, I'd target the big consultancies and maybe try to sell from an "English for Consultants" angle (basically IT/management/finance project work) since I feel like nearly everyone in Paris is a consultant of some kind (I clearly exaggerate but still).

The main contexts that would be rehearsed would be presentations, small talk/social skills with clients, conf calls, report writing and meetings - which require functional skills such as giving advice, brainstorming, delivering bad news, making arrangements, summarising, updating etc. Plus more general skills such as LC with many and varied accents, business vocab etc.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go with either kids, exams, or business English. That's where the money is.
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Mrs McClusky



Joined: 09 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would get a serious financial backer, the days of the small, friendly family type ESL school are dead
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basiltherat



Joined: 04 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my tupenceworth ....

exam preparation courses, american or british depending on where you are going to set up.. gmat, toeic, toefl, ielts, fce, cae, bec etc ..... even ket and pet.

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basil
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sisyphus



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs McClusky wrote:
I would get a serious financial backer, the days of the small, friendly family type ESL school are dead


I dont think so. In Prague a lot of the large schools have either gone bust or moved further afield.
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jpvanderwerf2001



Joined: 02 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have started a school here in Vladivostok.
Our most popular courses, by a long shot, are adult elementary and adult pre-intermediate. These are followed by small kids (4-6 year-olds), and then business English (pre-int/int). Of course, demand is location-specific; what's popular in Vladivostok, say, would probably be very different than in Western Europe, where people have had good access to general English for a long time.
If I were to start an EFL business on my own, without the financial backing I enjoyed, I would definitely start small and let it grow organically. It takes a lot of dough to make a go at a medium-sized or large school. Get some money together, rent a room or two, and give small-group lessons, and go on from there.
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My response to this thread is highly improbable, and pretty impossible ... so disregard it as you see fit Very Happy

I would love to set up some kind of organisation that sponsored and arranged short term visas for disadvantaged teens from Africa and Asia to visit the UK on short stays of up to 3 weeks. In that three weeks they would have English lessons and activities (kinda like a typical summer school set up), and have homestays with trusted (and checked out) families. This would give them an opportunity to vist the UK, improve or practise their English with native speakers, and a chance to see the world they currently only dream about.
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hollysuel



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Location: Connecticut, USA

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dream is to open a 'bed & breakfast' here in the states close to a golf course and other things to do (but in a small town). I would then market abroad and offer 'language travel' packages where I would offer language training in the morning and then the students/guests can go golf or whatever in the afternoon.
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dmocha



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Catering to organizations that have money is the way to go. Reply with quote

Catering to organizations that have money is the way to go. Specialist programmes in ESP areas like English for nurses, English for air crew, English for hotel front desk staff, English for you get the idea. Concurrent with that, external exam courses in TOEIC etc will always sell. Of course in places just opening up to EFL (out of the way Russia for example) the fish will bite a bare hook. In the well-fished places, you�ll need better bait.
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry to go off topic but i just couldn't let this one pass unscathed.

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I would love to set up some kind of organisation that sponsored and arranged short term visas for disadvantaged teens from Africa and Asia to visit the UK on short stays of up to 3 weeks.


The UK has enough economic migrants. I really wouldn't suggest we need any more.

Who would make sure these 'teens' didn't disappear into the British social void. Teens are intelligent enough to realise that Africa is a total write-off and Europe and the UK is where a state of relative stability rules .... although for how much longer , only the economic migrants and other illegal immigrants themselves will decide.

Thank heavens this idea is highly improbable.

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MotherF



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kids,

Parents will do without in order to give their kids a percieved advantage.
(and I say that as a parent)

As for the B and B idea in the US.
Back when I was in Japan (mid-90s) I thought that's be a great hit among the Japanese--now who knows. But near a good fishing lake or river. I was amazed at how popular fishing was among the Japanese. It would also be good if there were a bunch of those outlet malls near by. English and fishing for the men and English and shopping for the women. I thought the Branson Missouri area seemed suitable for that purpose.
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cassava



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

basiltherat wrote:


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Who would make sure these 'teens' didn't disappear into the British social void.


Presumably, the organizers of the project would see to it that the young people were properly chaperoned. Similar initiatives have been undertaken in Canada and they have always been well organized and have been highly successful.

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Teens are intelligent enough to realise that Africa is a total write-off and Europe and the UK is where a state of relative stability rules .... although for how much longer , only the economic migrants and other illegal immigrants themselves will decide.

This is the kind of wild generalization and moronic clap-trap that is sometimes spewed out in this forum. Basiltherat (aptly named) is obviously ignorant about the facts of underdevelopment and should educate himself by reading the classic work by Walter Rodney entitled "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa". There are numerous other studies on the subject.

Basiltherat despises economic immigrants. Yet, he himself falls neatly into that category since he was working in Libya, and after being forced to return to the UK because of the rebellion in Libya, is now actively seeking a foreign country in which to go and work. Why doesn't he remain in the UK and enjoy the"relative stability" of which he is so proud?

The kind of risible, half-baked views espoused by Basiltherat are not new. We encounter them all the time in Canada from British immigrants who whine and complain about everything that they dislike about Canada, but who refuse to move elsewhere or to go back 'ome. One may also note the fact that there are thousands of Irish economic immigrants beating down the doors to get into Western Canada.

The views expressed by Basiltherat are filled with ignorance and hypocrisy. However, what else can one really expect from a rat?




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timothypfox



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basil,

With all due respect to you, I wouldn't pat yourself on the back too much about the greatness of Britain or the EU. Money may be a big motivating factor, but it is only one piece of what is important in life. Britain and the EU may have jobs, but culture and community in many countries in Africa for example make daily life for immigrants to places such as the UK stodgy, unfriendly, and empty. Many people I met in New York (a place with about 60% of the population made up of immigrants) often complained that they were in New York for work and would return home if they could. But, people who grew up in New York City couldn't imagine life anywhere else.

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Tim
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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greatness of Britain or the EU


I agree it's not great at all. I am also confident it's going to get worse for the reason, amongst others, I mentioned.

Just to clarify and since one post has gotten particularly personal, I go abroad to work through invitation and leave when the job is done or when I am no longer needed or paid to the job; in the case of Libya. I apply for a visa and at all stages I abide by the immigration rules and regulations of the country concerned. I ensure I have a visa and medical insurance for the period I will be there so I am not a drain on the local healthcare system; if there happens to be one. If I am not invited, I do not / cannot go and I look elsewhere. I may, on ocassions, dislike particular aspects of living in that country but I tolerate it, keep it to myself when I am there and carry on. That is not particularly unusual.

I don't smuggle myself jobless into a country on some fishing vessel or other means and claim political (economic asylum) or intentionally overstay so I can somehow remain there permanently and disappear into the social void where I have no job, sponging off the state's welfare and health system, demonstrating in the streets of the country against some policy the country may have adopted of which I disapprove and think up, because I can't get a job, some illegal/dubious scheme there to make money or God forbid, join some religiously extreme clandestine movement which ultimately aims to overthrow the political system of the country I am in. In other words, I behave.

I would have absolutely no objection to anyone coming to Britain under the conditions described above (paragraph 2) because that's how I believe people from outside the UK and Europe should only be permitted to come and live and work in this region.

In fact, I know of several people here who used to be my trainees in Syria and have been invited/accepted into Britain to work for several years. They are professional, highly skilled and can offer Britain something that it requires. They are also adapting to the culture, speak the language and do not settle in ghettos of Middle Eastern backgrounds. I am confident that at some point, when their job is done, they will return to Syria or if they have proven to have contributed substantially to the country (and could potentially continue to do so ) be granted permanent residency.

Why should Britain and the EU countries be any different from any other country outside its borders in respect to immigration policy. In fact, it is my view that, if anything, the EU and Britain need to have an even stricter policy on immigration compared to other countries outside it.

Incidentally, by mere definition, 'TEFL ' requires most (if not all) of us to work abroad but that doesn't mean someone like myself has to behave like and be labelled as a 'refugee' or 'immigrant' from my own country.I am, to put it simply, an individual private contractor employed, by invitation, for several years in a particular country to do what I am good at and what the country has requested that I do .... and then leave when it is done or if I feel there are better or more enjoyable contracts elsewhere. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't think there is anything objectionable about that and I don't think anyone from that particular country would have any objection to my doing it; just as I am sure we have no objection to what those couple of Syrians are doing in Britain.

Best
Basil
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