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annmt



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:57 pm    Post subject: Health issues (again) Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm epileptic and suffer from depression. I thought I'd end up in Korea, mostly because that seems to be where the most demand is. However after reading a bit on the Korea forums, it doesn't seem like it might be the best place for me. Can anyone recommend somewhere that would be a decent alternative to look into?

THanks!
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly don't know, but I would say try going through a big school or recruiter, such as Fulbright. Being left in the middle of a country with no language skills and no info about where doctors or medicine are could be difficult.
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Health issues (again) Reply with quote

annmt wrote:
Hi,

I'm epileptic and suffer from depression. I thought I'd end up in Korea, mostly because that seems to be where the most demand is. However after reading a bit on the Korea forums, it doesn't seem like it might be the best place for me. Can anyone recommend somewhere that would be a decent alternative to look into?

THanks!


I understand the desire to travel but why would you risk going to a 3rd world country (which is what most of Asia is) with those conditions for an extended period of time? (I don't need an answer but you should think about it).

Largely, you would be unable to communicate with a doctor if you found it necessary. If the need arose, emergency staff (ambulance or hospital) would NOT be able to communicate with you at all nor would they consider either of your conditions when they arrive to deal with you. reading a medical card or medic alert bracelet won't work.

Treatment would be problematic at best and that isn't even going into the potential pitfalls of dealing with immigration issues and/or backward attitudes about mental health issues or your medical condition.

If you really feel adventurous and want to try ESL, head to Northern Arizona. It is really different from NY (a world apart) and there is a demand for ESL and k-12 teachers.

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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF you could get into intl schools, then that's a different story, but for TEFLing and making very little per month, I wouldn't risk it.
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annmt



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm..

Well I don't intend to teach in a 3rd world country Smile I'm aiming for a developed city. I plan on bridging the language gap for doctors by bringing a translator.

What kinds of health questions are asked on a visa application? I was able to go to Egypt with my conditions, but it wasn't under a working visa...
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

annmt wrote:
Hmm..

Well I don't intend to teach in a 3rd world country Smile I'm aiming for a developed city. I plan on bridging the language gap for doctors by bringing a translator.

What kinds of health questions are asked on a visa application? I was able to go to Egypt with my conditions, but it wasn't under a working visa...


When did Egypt become classed as a developed country? I must have missed it.

There are BIG differences between a work visa and a tourist visa. Most countries will gladly take your money as a tourist. They (including the USA) WON'T want you as a foreign resident with a history of any mental health issues.

Either condition may be grounds for denial of a work visa in many countries (including foreigners trying to go to the USA).

Bringing a translator is not always an option for either condition (especially if either one happens "unexpectedly" on you) and virtually everywhere that an American can LEGALLY work is (with a very few exceptions) is in the developing or 3rd world.

Attitudes toward both conditions are also NOT good when you go abroad and if your new boss finds out about either one you would be canned on the spot. You will NOT enjoy the protections abroad that you have in the states (guilty until proven innocent is common) and being stranded without cash or employment while needing medical treatment is hazardous to your health. (In many countries they won't recognize your "US" health insurance and if you can't show the cash in hand they would happily let you die (or otherwise let you suffer in the hallway).

Going as a tourist is one thing. Hitting the ground and working in an entry level job is another.

I am fully aware that this is not what you want to hear so you are likely to ignore it. The good news is that if you keep asking, eventually you will find someone that says, No problem" and that you can / should "go for it". I'm not going to be one of them.

TEFLing can be a great thing for some but the reality is that for many it is nothing more than a soul destroying exercise on the way to poverty and with you bringing other issues to the table ....

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annmt



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re health insurance: I've done some reading about this and you can front the cash and get it refunded to you through insurance by submitting a claim under an international insurer as the country in which I receive health care will most likely not accept foreign insurance.

I never said Egypt was a developed country. I was there on a student visa. Obviously, I don't know whether the applications differ in regards to health, in general, between student and working visas (anywhere).


I've found a copy of a Korean visa application, but it does not mention any questions about health (Or criminal record, so I'm sure that this is only a preliminary questionnaire). Instead of biting my head off, please try to answer some questions for me.

Aside from potentially losing my job, what is the worst that can happen? Deportation? What impact does deportation have on any US records, if any?


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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

annmt wrote:
Re health insurance: I've done some reading about this and you can front the cash and get it refunded to you through insurance by submitting a claim under an international insurer.

I never said Egypt was a developed country.

Let's pretend I'm able to get a visa. What's the worst that can happen, I get deported? (not a rhetorical question)

Nobody will tell me that I didn't try. People have said no to me before and I've always proven them wrong.


It isn't a try or not try issue. It is not an "able to do it" issue but hey, you obviously know more about it than we do.

Go for it.

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annmt



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I edited my response before I saw that your reply to mine was posted.

Pretending I get a visa, what is the worst that can happen after I am fired?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know nothing about Asia, and have a couple of questions.

What normally comes first - job offer or visa?

In the case that the OP were offered a job in spite of his/her health issues, will the visa application disclose the problems? Will this be likely to cause the visa application to be denied?

How likely is it that an Asian employer would offer a job to someone with potentially problematic health issues?

In Central/Eastern Europe, where US citizens can still legally get work visas, I am pretty sure almost no employer would agree to go through the visa procedure for a candidate with these problems, particularly at the newbie level. The job market here is pretty saturated to begin with, and UK teachers are preferred because there is no paperwork hassle. With both nationality and health difficulties, you wouldn't be a strong candidate for the jobs that are going.

Further, for what it's worth, I think that care for depression would be very difficult to obtain in Central/Eastern Europe. And the wages there would certainly contribute to a worsening of the depression problem, I'm afraid - they are subsistence level only.

Overall, it seems to me like a difficult prospect to find something that would be workable in this situation.
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annmt



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hoping to end up in Korea, mostly because it suits my purposes as being (hopefully) able to find a job in a city that is either small enough to walk or has decent public transportation.

I don't know the answers to these questions, and I really appreciate them as they are ones that I can bring to the hiring service that was attached to my certification (which service begins soon, however I wanted to get a feel for people's thoughts on the matter).
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smurfetta



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure you need to fill out a health form as part of the E-2 visa process. I know that you have to get a Korean health check if you work in a public school.

If you are really really set on going to Korea, you need to be in Seoul. You have more of a chance getting English services than in a small Korean city. I lived in a small Korean city and the hospitals, to be frank, are not very good. It was hard to find an English speaking doctor there.

One other thing... I've seen ambulances stuck in traffic. Cars don't move out of the way quickly like they do in North America.
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Chamomile



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All teachers on E-2 visas in Korea have to do health exams. I don't know what conditions would disqualify you.

About international health insurance...As I understand it, there are basically two types of international health insurance:

1. "Normal" health insurance designed for expats. This is like health insurance back home. You have to submit an application that includes your medical history, so there's a possibility that you could be disqualified for health reasons. Also, like insurance back home, if you're paying for it yourself it's usually pretty expensive. You could be paying thousands of dollars a year.

2. Travel insurance. Cheap (like $20-30/month) and no medical questions asked, because it does NOT cover long-term and/or preexisting medical conditions (like epilepsy or depression). It's for stuff like breaking your leg or getting swine flu.

Make sure that you get the right insurance for you.

I've known people who thought that they were covered with travel insurance and were unpleasantly surprised later.

Also, if you need to show proof of previous insurance coverage later (for example, if you get insurance with a new company), travel insurance is often not counted as "real" insurance.
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