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[mat chen]

Please write us back when your survey is in and you have moved on. Don't spin your wheels for nothing. You are doing their job.
Tell me if I got this right. You bonded with your employers over a big meal in an expensive restaurant. Much baiju was consumed. You are now trying to get young good looking people to come and work there. They are not teachers but should look good.
OK the problem is this in a nutshell. The city where I met my wife in 6 years ago while I was working in a college, had two private schools for learning English. I was supposed to work in one of them but didn't like working for mafia types. Now this city has 93 small schools for learning English. People come here and find themselves in a problem. They can't teach and know nothing about Chinese culture.
In the past you came here then moved on to Taiwan or Korea with a little experience in your belt. Now you come here and there are no students you leave feeling you are worthless and get out the profession.
It ain't about money. The maket is saturated and at the same time China is getting away from English on the curriculum. Too many Chinese students have gone abroad to no name schools and came home with nothing.

[xjgirl]

while I wouldn't say the market is saturated,
it's clear in recent times, many entrepreneurs have made the move
to dodgy overseas preparation programmes which earn them far more
cash than your traditional training centre or city-centre kindergarden/evening school or private college
The average FT'S salary for these programmes(very full-time btw) is a ridiculous 10-12000, ridiculous when u consider the students are each paying 30000+ per year

[xjgirl]

these salaries are this low, because the whole thing is a scam in the first place
-in the end the administration of these places don't care about the
quality of teaching, they've found a way to bypass the IELTS exam to
place chinese students abroad, so there's no real test of the student's ability..

so as it's so easy to be accepted into a foreign university, there's no need
to put an emphasis on attracting both quality teachers and students to make sure the students reach an acceptable level of English...

also because of the fact that there's plenty of idiots out there who'll take these jobs the bean-counters can easily keep salaries far below what they should be

[mrwslee003]

I am glad to hear finally someone is interested in what would attract
FTs to their schools.

The following conditions would do: A decent wage-8K to 15K per month
depending on the location. A clean western style accomodation. Working
hours to be around 20 per week. Class size no more than 25. Provide
help with settlement. Contract that is transparent and no hidden conditions. Provide plenty of teaching resouces.
Extra duties must be mutually agreeable. Reimburse annual return flight to home country after satisfactory service.

I think that is a good start.

[igorG]

[Teatime of Soul]

I'd think a school would have a poor reputation to be unable find teachers from abroad.

A former colleague who works as a manager in a large school tells me they have been swamped with (often massively overqualified) candidates for at least the last year.

But, this is China so YMMV.

[xjgirl]

hardly?

I can't find anyone decent for my school that's offering a pretty good salary.

Just the usual suspects- non-native speakers, suspiciously christian-looking American folk or just plain weird looking single men either too young or too old

[rogerwilco]

[xjgirl]

well, Chinese people resent anyone too young to be making the same money as them as in a Chinese person's eyes, these young people haven't 'served their time' i.e been exploited for their first few years of working

Also, Chinese are wary of the potential medical liability old people bring to the table.

I mentioned single guys, because, Chinese don't want them messing with the students

[A'Moo]

[Teatime of Soul]

xjgirl

[xjgirl]

aye, those too amoo, though i haven't received any, i would have mentioned em if i had!

[A'Moo]

[TexasHighway]

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