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the4th2001
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 130 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| ghostrider wrote: |
| The "sensei" thing doesn't mean they actually view an ALT teacher as near equal to the Japanese teachers. It also doesn't really impress women, or any salary-dude, in Tokyo. They may act like they're impressed, but it's just a typical "face" reaction. Direct-hire at a private school helps a bit, being a university teacher (not with Westgate) even more I'm assuming. I think eikaiwa and public school ALT are viewed about equal in status to Japanese, which is pretty low to Tokyo-ites. Well, I think you get a newbie pass the first 2 years and when you're under 25, but after that you'll find it harder to admit what you're doing when someone asks. I think it's probably less of an issue in other cities where there are fewer foreigners and high earning professionals. |
Just to join in on beating this dead horse, but I remember constantly being asked what my real job was when I worked at Berlitz. One of my regular students wouldn't let it go one day. So we stopped the lesson and discussed it. He figured that since I was able to talk with him in relative detail about his work (banker/finance guy), I had a 'real' job working in the finance industry. After explaining that I studied finance back in college and kept up to date on current events, he seemed a little let down. Also, that student along with a handful of others would always recommend that I find new work. Their reasoning? It's so mottainai, etc.
Then there were my Japanese/Asian friends and my tattoo guy. Considering my education background and Japanese ability, they couldn't understand why I was teaching and hassled me to find a new job. There reasoning? It's so mottainai, etc.
I wonder how professors and university instructors are regarded.
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Different topic . . .
Ikki, again just out of curiosity, what benefits are you hoping for?
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:37 am Post subject: |
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11. Good grazing(including coffee in our local OlOl)in the department stores.
12. Beer machines. (for those imbibing)
13. Four seasons.
14. Beautiful hot spring resorts.
15. Low unemployment.
16. Immediate, 1% in-house financing of electronics.
17. Cutting edge electronic goods.
18. All night bars/clubs/parties.
19. Extremely reliable public transport.
20. Conveniently located motocross areas.
21. Costco.
22. All you can eat dining/drinking places.
23. Good lunches for less than �500.
24. 3rd largest economy.
25. Excellent roads and highways.
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:32 am Post subject: |
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11. Good grazing in the department stores.
For what? Most clothing doesn't fit most western bodies. Packaging is excessive and not eco-friendly. Most clerks avoid talking to foreigners.
15. Low unemployment.
Uh, for whom? Yes, officially it's 4.6% (adjusted seasonally), but that's for the locals, I believe, and even so, you gotta take it with a carload of salt.
Lots of oldsters take cleaning and other PT jobs. You never see a youngster wiping out toilets or escalator rails. Plus, the fact that more and more Japanese are not studying abroad is because they are afraid to lose that precious rare opportunity here to interview 1-2 years ahead of time.
20. Conveniently located motocross areas.
Huh?
21. Costco.
Not everywhere. Only one in all of Hokkaido, for example.
22. All you can eat dining/drinking places.
With 2-hr time limits even for parties.
24. 3rd largest economy.
Have you read the news lately?
25. Excellent roads and highways.
Where? Pretty narrow and slow-moving, if you ask me, even on tollways. And also very expensive t use when/if they are finally completed! |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| 26. All the negativity just makes me stronger! |
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the4th2001
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 130 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Sweetsee wrote: |
| 26. All the negativity just makes me stronger! |
It's reality. You can try to candy-coat it as much as you want, but it doesn't change the facts.
Honestly, most of your 25 points can easily be applied to other countries if you add the same sort of spin you're adding and/or ignore the full context of each point. Seriously now, Costco? It's an American company. Come on . . . |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:28 am Post subject: |
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27. Raising bilingual children.
28. Convenient convenience stores.
29. Home of the rising sun.
30. Well paying, personally satisfying work with beaucoup holidays.
31. Spitting distance from killer SE Asian vacation spots.
32. Maid cafes.
33. Fewer SUVs.
34. A government not hell-bent on war.(anymore)
35. Love hotels.
36. Mos Burger. |
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Ikki
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 58
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:35 am Post subject: |
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4th2001: I'm not really "hoping" for anything but here's what I think is a reasonable laundry list of benefits that should be provided:
1. Fully reimbursed return airfare.
2. Employer setting you up into the NHI, pension, etc., schemes.
3. A clean apartment w/basic furnishings waiting for you upon arrival. No rent due until first payday. Apt. has AC and at least a space heater.
4. A minimum of 3 weeks paid holiday a year, with another week added if you renew a contact. All Jap. public holidays off.
5. A settlement allowance upon arrival(say, 300 bucks).
6. No overtime without FT's consent. Such overtime should rate not less than Y5000/hr.
7. Landline phone in apartment should be provided.
Those are just a few off the top of my head. |
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the4th2001
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 130 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Ikki wrote: |
4th2001: I'm not really "hoping" for anything but here's what I think is a reasonable laundry list of benefits that should be provided:
1. Fully reimbursed return airfare.
2. Employer setting you up into the NHI, pension, etc., schemes.
3. A clean apartment w/basic furnishings waiting for you upon arrival. No rent due until first payday. Apt. has AC and at least a space heater.
4. A minimum of 3 weeks paid holiday a year, with another week added if you renew a contact. All Jap. public holidays off.
5. A settlement allowance upon arrival(say, 300 bucks).
6. No overtime without FT's consent. Such overtime should rate not less than Y5000/hr.
7. Landline phone in apartment should be provided.
Those are just a few off the top of my head. |
Why do you think teachers deserve all of that? Serious question.
For example, let's look at the States. If you decided to move across the country for a job, very few companies would eat the relocation costs and even fewer companies would set up an apartment for you. Maybe they'd offer assistance in regards to finding a place, but that's about it. Settlement allowance? Forget about. Of course, depending on the position and your credentials, there probably are some companies willing to spend whatever amount of money it takes to hire you. I'm by no means trying to say that the US is the golden standard by which all things should be measured, but it's a country I'm familiar with. I'm not sure about other countries, but I'm going to assume that they're relatively similar.
Coming back to Japan, how many teachers are actually qualified? Why should a company pay extra for a teacher with no work experience and/or with an unrelated degree? Why should a company pay for a someone who's coming to Japan with the intentions to tour around (get laid, party hard, etc.) and not take their job seriously? Companies that need properly qualified teachers will spend more and those that don't, won't. There's no reason to when any native English speaker will suffice. I'm sure you know that though.
Just for clarification on request #4, but do you mean 3 weeks on top of Japan's 15 national holidays (not including shogatsu)? If so, that's more paid time off than your typical Japanese worker. Again, why do teachers deserve that?
In regards to request #2, it's your responsibility to sign up for NHI/pension/etc if your company doesn't enroll you in shakai-hoken. More likely than not, you'll end up paying less if you go through your ward office. Yeah it's convenient if your company offers shakai-hoken, but you're not going to go without. You legally can't go without. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| the4th2001 wrote: |
Coming back to Japan, how many teachers are actually qualified? Why should a company pay extra for a teacher with no work experience and/or with an unrelated degree? Why should a company pay for a someone who's coming to Japan with the intentions to tour around (get laid, party hard, etc.) and not take their job seriously? Companies that need properly qualified teachers will spend more and those that don't, won't. There's no reason to when any native English speaker will suffice. I'm sure you know that though.
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There is a hole in my bucket. A lot of FTs are not qualified, because they won't accept the low pay. The companies won't pay much, because of the low amount of education/xp. |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:40 am Post subject: |
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37. Service stations where smokers get their ashtrays polished and filled with fragrance beads.
38. Hair salons offering point cards redeemable for 10-15 minute scalp massages when full up.
39. The ubiquitous state of the art washlette/toilettes.
40. A population boasting a 99% literacy rate.
41. Kaiten zushi. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:11 am Post subject: |
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1, Being able to go out at night and feel completely safe.
2, Going out drinking and not having to watch over your shoulder incase some idiot decides to start a fight with you because "he doesn't like the look of you".
3, A decent paid job (in my opinion) with only a degree. Not even experience is needed at most companies.
4, First year tax and health insurance comes to less than 700 dollars.
5, Easy enough to get an exemption from paying shakaihoken, so no need to worry about that.
6, Everywhere is clean (at least in the towns, cities, villages. I know the beaches are often disgusting)
7, Standing out from the crowd (can be a good of bad thing depending on the way you look at it, i see it as a positive)
8, Weekends in Kyoto, Tokyo etc
9, Good and cheap restaurant food (compared to the UK anyway).
10, Easy to pull
11, Holidays in Philippines, Indonesia, Taiwan, Thailand.
12, Lots of time off (at most companies, as mentioned earlier i get about 10 weeks plus national holidays).
13, Possible to work two decent paid jobs at once.
14, Opportunity to study Japanese. If you work as an ALT you will have plenty of time to do this while getting paid.
15, Working with kids is fun.
16, Teaching is more enjoyable than the average 9-5 job.
17, Retro video games are very very cheap. Plenty of classics that weren't made available in our home countries.
18, Possible to save a lot of money (at least in your first year).
19, Some good things to put on your CV when you eventually come home (teaching experience, experience living in a foreign country, possible Japanese ability)
20, Once you have a year experience its relatively easy to transfer to a different area of Japan or even somewhere else in Asia.
21, Reliable, cheap public transport.
22, Very low crime rate. Ive lived here one year and thus far have not seen any crime. Not even a single fight.
Negatives
Too many winging whiny gaijin teachers. They're always moaning. Why don't they go home, back to their splendid home country where everything is so much better and fairer? |
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Sweetsee

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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:29 am Post subject: |
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37. Utra-healthy, exquisite, non-meatbased cuisine.
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| Ikki wrote: |
| 4th2001: I'm not really "hoping" for anything but here's what I think is a reasonable laundry list of benefits that should be provided: |
I'm with the4th2001 on many of those issues.
1. Fully reimbursed return airfare.
You don't get that anywhere else with regularity (unless you are in very high-paying professions). Besides, many people stay past their first employer here, so why should that one pay for your return if you stay longer? How could you possibly guarantee that the airfare would go to a plane ticket 2-5 years down the road?
3. A clean apartment w/basic furnishings waiting for you upon arrival. No rent due until first payday. Apt. has AC and at least a space heater.
Most do all of these things except the rent thing.
4. A minimum of 3 weeks paid holiday a year, with another week added if you renew a contact. All Jap. public holidays off.
No, nobody deserves that up front for such a low-paying job as TEFL. And, having national holidays off is unreasonable for eikaiwas because customers can still be available.
5. A settlement allowance upon arrival(say, 300 bucks).
What on earth for? If you don't have the money for a plane ticket, why should they pay you an additional 300 bucks when you are a serious risk to staying as it is?
6. No overtime without FT's consent. Such overtime should rate not less than Y5000/hr.
The 5000 yen/hr is against labor laws if it isn't 1 - 1.25 times the hourly rate at which you already work. Asking for more is unreasonable.
| Sweetsee wrote: |
| 40. A population boasting a 99% literacy rate. |
Oh, really? I don't think so.
| nightsintodreams wrote: |
| 6, Everywhere is clean |
Not everywhere. Air pollution is pretty bad in some places.
10, Easy to pull
What does that mean?
15, Working with kids is fun.
That's relative.
18, Possible to save a lot of money (at least in your first year).
Why not after that?
19, Some good things to put on your CV when you eventually come home (teaching experience, experience living in a foreign country, possible Japanese ability)
"Good" is relative. Many people back home laugh at "teaching experience" from Japan. Just "experience" is also very relative and often not enough to warrant much merit, if any, unless it goes with some acquired business acumen and fairly high level of J language ability. The average person gets none of that in 1-3 years here. |
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Sweetsee

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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Really. You must be slipping, mate. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
10, Easy to pull
What does that mean? |
It's the classy of act of being able to go out and within the day/night picking up a partner for "extracurricular" activities which may or may not involve actually getting to know the person first.
Maybe it's because I'm female and a fellow brit, but how I cringed when that came up before studying Japanese, CV material and crme rate.
Also made me think, "Why mention that at all? Can you not pull back home?" |
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