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slareth



Joined: 29 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knowing the truth is of what value?

The US wanted him dead, he is dead. If the US killed him while he was meditating on the meaning of life or resisting makes little difference.

This was not a type of situation where he could do anything other than die. If the US captured him and took him to trial the potential risks would have been likely unparalleled.

Please think through the possible scenarios before condemning the actions here.

I do not know the truth, I only know he is dead. That is enough for me. That is enough for many people. I am glad he did not have the opportunity to die of old age.
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Little Tiger



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slareth wrote:
Knowing the truth is of what value?
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I do not know the truth, I only know he is dead. That is enough for me. That is enough for many people. I am glad he did not have the opportunity to die of old age.


Knowing the truth is ALWAYS of the highest value, I seek the truth in everything and I question everything to obtain the truth. If you are happy to believe sweet comforting lies and/or don't care that your lied to then I truly feel sorry for you, but your entitled to do this - whatever helps you sleep at night.



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I do not know the truth, I only know he is dead.


I can't say how much this statement confuses me, you've been told he is dead that is not the same thing. (I'm not trying to be conspiracy theories here just pointing out the massive difference and problems with this statement)
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slareth



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little Tiger wrote:
slareth wrote:
Knowing the truth is of what value?
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I do not know the truth, I only know he is dead. That is enough for me. That is enough for many people. I am glad he did not have the opportunity to die of old age.


Knowing the truth is ALWAYS of the highest value, I seek the truth in everything and I question everything to obtain the truth. If you are happy to believe sweet comforting lies and/or don't care that your lied to then I truly feel sorry for you, but your entitled to do this - whatever helps you sleep at night.



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I do not know the truth, I only know he is dead.


I can't say how much this statement confuses me, you've been told he is dead that is not the same thing. (I'm not trying to be conspiracy theories here just pointing out the massive difference and problems with this statement)


You'll never actually know the truth...as you pointed out correctly to me. We are all lied to every day. Accept it. You may even be happier for it. Unless you were in the room where he was killed when it happened, how could you be satisfied?

Searching for the truth in everything you encounter or hear/read may be an entertaining and diverting past-time but it has little value more often than not.

There is something to be said for 'ignorance is bliss'

BTW, no need to feel sorry for me but thank you for the condescending remark.
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Pilot82



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SEALS made the right call killing him! Even if he was unarmed, I would have been even more worried if I was one of the SEALS, due to the chance that he could have had some hidden suicide chain bombs around the compound or on strapped on him that could be set of by the slightest flinch or movement by him....what you critics fail to realize is that this was a high risk operation in which these type of situations, you leave NOTHING TO CHANCE!!!

And letting a mobile OBL move about ON HIS TURF not fully knowing what he could of had hidden, would have ended up being a costly mistake! SEALS are to eliminate all and PERCIEVED threats, so armed or not....all Osama had to do was even look at them the wrong way let alone flinch in the slightest to get his just due, makes no difference.
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El Chupacabra



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SEALS didn't make the call; they merely carried out orders in the professional manner they always do.

The order itself is questionable, and in my opinion sickening. BHO had been talking lots of smack about how he wasn't going to follow the failed Bush/Cheney policies of the past and how he's gonna bring back OBL to face trial just as he had the Somali pirate do. And when Dear Leader has the chance, to bring in an unarmed criminal in pajamas, he orders our guys to smoke Osama. And in front of his 12-year old daughter to boot.

So much for being an example of justice.
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Pilot82



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ummm....If I remember correctly OBL was wanted Dead or Alive with emphasis on DEAD!!! So it's no secret that America wanted him dead...the SEALS carried out his death sentence justifiably so
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear El Chupacabra,

Thank you for that eye-witness account of what actually went on. It's good to finally have an "on the ground," very detailed description of the event. I just hope it doesn't get you in trouble with the higher-ups.

Regards,
John
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Denizen



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't there a US government-sanctioned, multi-million dollar reward on Bin Laden's head? Perhaps during these hard economic times, the government decided to follow through with the act themselves in order to receive the bounty, then applying it towards our economic recovery.

Those fellows are as smart as a whip...frayed and noisy.
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El Chupacabra



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear John,

You are quite welcome, though you should thank the high muckymucks at the White House for updating us with new and unclassified details every hour or so. President Obama, may God protect him and keep him, would never lie to us proles, would He?

For the record, I would feel nauseated even if this hit were done under a Republican's orders. The Bush/Cheney policy kind of lost its thunder after GW's first term. But hey, if it pumps up Dear Leader's opinion polls, I suppose it's for the public good.

Do you think BHO will lose the Al-Qaeda endorsement because of this?

Yours,
The Goatsucker
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AGoodStory



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And when Dear Leader has the chance, to bring in an unarmed criminal in pajamas, he orders our guys to smoke Osama. And in front of his 12-year old daughter to boot.


Of course, among those capable of second-guessing and criticizing the planning and execution of a complex military operation, we EFL teachers have the inside track. After all, aren't we skilled at lesson planning? Don't we have to take into account a multitude of variables? Don't we have to synthesize conflicting needs? Design plans to achieve our goals? Maintain flexibility while executing our plan? Always keep in mind cultural differences? And as for the heat of battle--if those SEALS had trained in certain EFL classrooms, they might have been better able to have kept their wits about them; they could have more quickly assessed the situation, and responded more effectively. And as for the Dear Lesson Planner himself, well, I guess we could all teach him a thing or two!

Seriously, though--aren't we getting a little full of ourselves when we criticize the conduct of SEALS in the heat of battle?Rolling Eyes


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AGoodStory



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will Al Quaeda's announcement this morning of OBL's death convince any of the disbelievers out there, do you suppose?
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Denizen



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It certainly helps.

We have been exposed to so much theater with this administration that there is little trust in what their mouthpieces blare. A photo isn't the only factual verification of his death, though. This will go a long way, as well as the announcement that DNA and facial recognition info will also be released today.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/public-to-learn-more-today-about-dna-match-and-facial-recognition-analysis-of-obl-as-well-as-intel-g.html
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Captain_Fil



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are so many people upset at the killing of an evil terrorist?

Obama did the right thing. The SEALs did the best thing.

Kudos to Obama! Long live the SEALs!

Very Happy
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mythical Beast (El Chupacabra is very popular here in New Mexico, but then, so are images of Jesus or the Virgin on tortillas)

Well, the Al Qaeda voting block, formerly strongly Obama (with a few Repulican hold-outs) would seem to be lost. They'll almost all vote for the GOP come November 2012. On the other hand, BHO has probably picked up support among all the other rival terrorist groups. So, it's likely pretty much a trade-off.

Regards,
John
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tttompatz



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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain_Fil wrote:
Why are so many people upset at the killing of an evil terrorist?

Obama did the right thing. The SEALs did the best thing.

Kudos to Obama! Long live the SEALs!

Very Happy


No, he did not do the right thing. He did the American thing.

Follow the rule of law when convenient and ignore it when convenient.

Obama is nothing more than a criminal terrorist like the one he had executed. He ordered an unsanctioned invasion of a sovereign nation (against international convention and treaty) and ordered an extra judicial execution (murder most foul) of a criminal for political reasons.

His only saving grace is that he is the leader of the most powerful nation on earth and as such (the big bully on the block) will be unlikely to face criminal proceedings in the Hague for his actions.

It is too bad. He is not the only American who should be brought to justice for crimes against humanity.

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