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Valaki
Joined: 17 Aug 2010 Posts: 85 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Dear seklarwia,
Thank you for all your advice.
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Really?! I've sat through American lit and translation theory classes being delivered in German in Austria, Japanese and Spanish lit classes being delivered in English in the UK and German and Chinese classes being taught in Spanish when I was at uni in Spain. That's how it often works and that's why I asked.
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Oops lol... OK I didn't know that.
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I think you should contact your local Japanese embassy to check your claim with them first.
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I have and they have no idea. Told me to contact immigration in Japan. To them I've sent an email and they told me to call. Should I call or will they just say.... please send an email.
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Before you can even start thinking visa applications you will need to find an employer willing to accept that your English is better than that 19 year old secondary school drop out with a British passport and a WHV and convince them that not only are you eligible for a visa to teach English but that their customers/schools will be happy with a non-native speaker of English as their teacher.
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I just heard about a Hungarian girl coming back from Japan teaching English and she has no CELTA etc etc. It seems possible. Unfortunately I am not female.
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don't shoot your self in the foot by coming over here at the wrong time... as a person from a non-English speaking country, you only have one leg to start off with.
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When is the nearest near-acceptable time to come? I want to get there ASAP. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think you should contact your local Japanese embassy to check your claim with them first.
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I have and they have no idea. Told me to contact immigration in Japan. To them I've sent an email and they told me to call. Should I call or will they just say.... please send an email. |
You should send the email or make the call.
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| I just heard about a Hungarian girl coming back from Japan teaching English and she has no CELTA etc etc. It seems possible. |
We would need far more details than just her nationality to know how she did it, and if you could do the same.
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| When is the nearest near-acceptable time to come? I want to get there ASAP. |
Why ASAP? What is the big hurry? |
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Valaki
Joined: 17 Aug 2010 Posts: 85 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Why ASAP? What is the big hurry?
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I need a job. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Valaki,
It's still going to take you 3-4 months before you can prepare to leave, get here, find something, get a visa, and work a while before the first paycheck comes. That's a timeline for native English speakers. Since you are not one of them, your timeline will probably be longer.
Don't be desperate. That will only lead to disappointment and misery, perhaps even being exploited. For anyone without a job, to search overseas for any sort of work usually takes far longer than in their homeland. You must realize and accept that.
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| I couldn't imagine an English degree not being taught in English. It wouldn't be accredited. |
Japanese teachers get their degrees in English (or related major) taught to them entirely in Japanese. That's part of getting their teaching license here. |
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globalcitizen
Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 23
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| Valaki, I am Hungarian, hold a BA in English from a Hungarian university, left the country before the changes and have dual Hungarian/Canadian citizenship. I worked in Japan 2x, first with Westgate, later with the JET Porgram. Your schooling is not the problem, your passport is. I applied from Canada as a Canadian citizen and nobody ever asked why my degree is from Hungary. pm me if you have any questions. |
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Valaki
Joined: 17 Aug 2010 Posts: 85 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Don't be desperate. That will only lead to disappointment and misery, perhaps even being exploited.
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Please realize that if you don't have a PhD in nuclear physics, being exploited by a Japanese employer is 1000x better than doing ANYTHING in Europe. It's just the way it is - of course, this is when we're getting into politics and off-topic stuff so a lot of people will disagree.
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Japanese teachers get their degrees in English (or related major) taught to them entirely in Japanese. That's part of getting their teaching license here.
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Cool, then I am a rock star. There you have it: there's the reason to hire me. |
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cat mother
Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 62
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Why are you so dead set on Japan? Even as a Hungarian national, with your credentials, you can still get a work visa to teach English in Thailand.
I really don't understand your obsession with Japan.
And this sentence "Please realize that if you don't have a PhD in nuclear physics, being exploited by a Japanese employer is 1000x better than doing ANYTHING in Europe." is just pure nonsense.
Please. Stop. Being. So. Desperate. You're not doing yourself any favors with this kind of attitude. |
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Valaki
Joined: 17 Aug 2010 Posts: 85 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Dear catmother,
Thanks for being concerned about my state of mind. Yes, it is a hyperbole about the PhD in physics but I can tell you the situation is not good.
My obsession comes from several sources. I've lived there for 4 years and also I practice martial arts so I am connected in several ways.
And of course the salaries are huge.
I am not having success with getting offers from Thailand. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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If you are not physically present, I can easily understand why you don't get offers from any country, including Thailand. What do the posters here have to tell you about such a method to get a job in Thailand anyway?
Regarding your martial arts interest, you could try to get a cultural activities visa to continue studying that here. You'd need to find a master/sensei willing to sponsor you for it, of course. With special permission from immigration, you could even work PT, perhaps beginning to build up a teaching experience. But, to land a FT teaching job, you're going to find a lot of problems because of your nationality, as has already been explained. |
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cat mother
Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 62
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Valaki, you have to understand that there are thousands of non-natives here already and many of them teach English. However, most of them hold spouse visas and that's why potential employers are willing to hire them.
I'm a non-native passport holder myself but I grew up and was educated in the US. And yes, I am here on a spouse visa.
Having done a fair bit of hiring in Japan, I can tell you that your chances of finding a willing sponsor are nil. The market is flooded with teachers, both native and non-native, with valid visas and without.
If, as a non-native passport holder, you were not educated in an English speaking country, I highly doubt your visa application will be approved. We've tried it with a friend of mine, also from Eastern Europe and were denied.
If by some chance you do secure a work visa, please realize that in all likelihood you will not be paid the "huge salary" you're referring to (which, by the way, is not all that huge by local standards), but non-native rates instead.
And since say you've lived in Japan for 4 years, you really should know all this.
Get yourself a ticket to Thailand and start knocking on doors. You should have no problem getting a job and a work visa once you're there. There are plenty of Poles, Germans, Slovaks, etc that work there legally as English teachers. |
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