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Aston - Jining. A serious warning
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At the end of the day they are making money selling the brand to everyone that will buy it, why do they care if 50%/60%/70%(?) of employees leave disliking the place?


Not true as I'd proven in that email a year ago!! Due to teacher turnover, we saw a significant enrollment decline and this was at an Aston-owned school. Even senior management realizes 6 mo contracts aren't worth the expenses. I don't think they appreciate the impact threads such as this can have, nor how to develop and sustain a thriving corporate culture.

As for the coincidence, it was actually me who Skype messaged your FM Mar 26, not having heard from him in 10 months and not realizing he was the FM we'd been referring to all along. (his Skype profile still says Jinan). On Mar 30, he replied which is when I mentioned this thread and found out to my surprise.

Why did I bother to contact him after almost a year's absence from Aston? I was curious about how far he'd come in the proactive stance he took the previous year which paralleled my thinking at the time: 'to establish a support network' among FMs. If you like, PM me and I'll email you my 'open letter'.

PS: What's the process for blacklisting a school? Anyone know offhand?
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thelmaharper.1921



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:45 am    Post subject: listening to a liar Reply with quote

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Blatant racism. The owner of the school said he would not hire any black people, claiming he did not want them in his school. I know racism can be common in certain parts of China, but I've never heard of it being expressed so openly by someone in a position of 'supposed' respect.
Um, this is a LIE. The foreign manager is a black person. I knew that didn't sound right. I worked for Aston before, and their foreign manager was a black person. And this was 6-7 years ago.
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Little Tiger



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: listening to a liar Reply with quote

thelmaharper.1921 wrote:
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Blatant racism. The owner of the school said he would not hire any black people, claiming he did not want them in his school. I know racism can be common in certain parts of China, but I've never heard of it being expressed so openly by someone in a position of 'supposed' respect.
Um, this is a LIE. The foreign manager is a black person. I knew that didn't sound right. I worked for Aston before, and their foreign manager was a black person. And this was 6-7 years ago.


Wow, you must have spent the last year working in this branch too right? Why don't you send an email the address given and ask how many FT's they sent back this term because of the colour of their skin? And why they are having such a hard time filling their positions now? It has been stated TO the Foreign Manager (black or not) that they do not want blacks at the school the fact that they said this too a black person makes it more insensitive, but unfortunately it is true - that my friend you can take to the bank.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: listening to a liar Reply with quote

Little Tiger wrote:
... they do not want blacks ...


You mean prefer. For marketing, they want blue-eyed, blonde Barbies and Kens. My first Aston was the same--I actually replaced a black manager the franchisee clearly was not happy with (had nothing to do with competence) but guess the skin colour of my replacement a few years later?
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time to teach



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the end of the day, it's just a job, an employer-employee relationship. As the saying goes, nothing personal, it's just business and this is just a public case of what's happening at so many English language schools like Aston, where textbook company culture is a camouflage for the bottom line, where corporate language including administrative statements, recruitment, and out of context are used to maintain the rank and file.

Disgruntled employees at China's dancing monkey language mills lose the battle almost every time because the system is designed for high turnover. So many schools like Aston do in fact recruit a majority of young (under 30), white, energetic, smiling happy faces with little or no teaching experience. Hey, there�s nothing wrong with being young and happy. It may be the best drug on the planet. But the faces do come and go, and a few bad apples in the yearly hiring cycle are standard issue in the recruiting game.

Schools like Aston, in my opinion, want their apples to play the staff member game, which means becoming part of the team, to be one big happy family, to show up and follow the rules, to march to the TEFL monkey�s tune and believe the words and phrases of the pecking order like goals and work ethic and chain of command and performance and positive environment, all for the sake of the organization.

The key to the TEFL game in China is finding a teaching job where you can get the most enjoyment and satisfaction with the least amount of BS. Being a happy teacher is about liking our jobs, and especially our students, in the daily grind of the work week. As many here will say, if you�re gonna whine just make sure you like the cheese. And if you choose to be disgruntled, just make sure you remember the second part of the phrase, which is employee.

In the end, every teaching job is just that�a job.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't resist perpetuating this thread when I read such comments. Wink

[quote=]...textbook company culture is a camouflage for the bottom line, where corporate language including administrative statements, recruitment, and out of context are used to maintain the rank and file.Rolling Eyes[/quote]

You obviously haven't read my comments about the lack of corporate culture--a common complaint among managers, Chinese included. I had a lot of autonomy at the 5 Astons I worked at as did many FTs I know...and partly due to the high turnover 'design' as you call it--why spend the time helping newbies develop their teaching when they'll be gone in a few months and I'd argue one of the reasons they leave--they don't see TEFL as a professional endeavor and indeed in China, teaching isn't a profession in the western sense of the word. Even you refer to it as 'just a job'.

Believe me, Aston coursebooks don't sell the school, they even turn off some parents as there's too little language for their liking, but they sign up after comparing tuition with the competition, so I guess you're right, it is good camouflage as HO makes a fair bit on them despite their reasonable price.
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time to teach



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reply was mostly a response to the Jining Aston administrative statement, which rang false to me on a variety of levels. My comments were intended to strike a deeper chord about the realities of working at language schools in China where corporate culture -- the business side of ESL -- often takes the heart and soul out of teaching.

Even the illusion of corporate culture is detrimental to education. It creates business managers brainwashed into believing the corporate buzz words and marching orders from the big bosses at HO. Teachers get lost in the maze of overworked and underpaid staffers running the company while owners pay crap wages and get rich on their tuition-war profits.

And all the while, managers believe that spending years of their lives working for an organization that puts profits before people, and has nothing to do with their self worth as human beings, is somehow a worthwhile professional endeavor.
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First we would like to thank the people who made comments about the experiences in China as well as our school.

Straight from the corporate PR play book, secret code for damage control.
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We hope that this clarifies our position and we thank you again for your comments and concerns...

The same ploy twice, and the only thing it clarifies is that Aston is a place where BS is the play of the day.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

time to teach wrote:
Even the illusion of corporate culture is detrimental to education.

Rolling Eyes nce again, I beg to differ.

Evidence suggests quite the contrary. Check out the success of business management guru Stephen Covey's Fortune 500 corporate (culture) training program adapted for public schools at www.Leaderinme.org . Almost all of Canada's schools using this are in Alberta, a province others are eager to emulate for it's int'ly recognized academic achievements. For decades, business management principles have been rigorously applied to education.

Corporate culture: the total sum of the values, customs, traditions and meanings that make a company unique. Corporate culture is often called "the character of an organization" since it embodies the vision of the company's founders.
[url]en.wikipedia.7val.com/wiki/Organizational_culture[/url]

Perhaps what you mean is not corporate culture but corporate greed; a focus on profits at the expense of all else. Even that I doubt, although I can see how Chinese fiscal frugality may give you that illusion (no budget for basics, ultra-conservation, things left in a state of disrepair, etc).

You'd think it'd merely be a numbers game but not so. I don't know how many times I flyered with staff who could care less. Even CMs overlooked opportunities! Indeed, fewer students made life easier for all of us and the only enrollment target I ever had was one I personally set. Come to think of it, I hadn't seen bonuses for enrollment since my first contract.
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Gav22



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only teacher on here who reads these threads and thinks "why don't you moaning little bitches stay at home in the safety of mummy and daddy's house and leave the traveling to those who are cutout for it?"

Now I haven't worked at this school - but I have worked at other which are something similar by the sounds of it. In my opinion there are two ways to deal with it:

1) Whine, moan, yap and gurn until you go blue in the face, make life difficult for yourself and everyone around you, then go home having had a negative experience and get a job at McDonalds or some fashion store where you will find, once again, that you ARE a dancing monkey and you are NOT special.

2) Relax. Laugh. Say a massive "F**k it!" and go with the flow. Just go to work, do your lessons, get paid,enjoy the food and culture, accept that work is work and stop moaning. If you want a perfectly flushing,working toilet, stay in America or England - if you want a new experience you can look back on and laugh at, learn to take the rough with the smooth.

Of course - don't be a walkover. With the right attitude and persistence, people will respect you and as long as you get your money on time and in full, and you have a roof over your head and enough to eat - what's the issue? This is Asia for Christs sake, it's not supposed to be the Hilton!

Of course the management will treat you like an expendable commodity, because that's what you are. You're there to make them money - and if you want to make tons of money yourself, might i suggest you DON'T teach English? This job pays crap, yes, but what other job do you get to teach around the world and make tons of new friends from countries all over the planet? Personally it's the only job I've ever done that i don't mind doing.

Life is a journey - just go with the flow - have a laugh, and get over it. It's all another story for the book Wink

Enjoy your travels, or stay at home.

Gav Smile

"ATTITUDE IS A LITTLE THING THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE" - WAYNE W DYER
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Banner41



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gav22 wrote:


Of course - don't be a walkover. With the right attitude and persistence, people will respect you and as long as you get your money on time and in full, and you have a roof over your head and enough to eat - what's the issue? This is Asia for Christs sake, it's not supposed to be the Hilton!


lol...I think this was the whole reason that the post started in the first place and I thought was finally laid to rest.
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Tetris



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gav22--

Having been Little Tiger's colleague, I don't think this post is "whining and complaining" as you might choose to call it. It was intended warning as to what may happen when there is no longer a foreign manager.

I used to think as you did--who the aitch are all these people, and what are they complaining about? I made up my mind when I came to China that I would tough it out and not complain about ridiculous things. And guess what? I actually got in trouble for not complaining enough!!

I also might point out that having a roof over my head, money, and food is all I ever asked for myself; these necessities were quickly rendered irrelevant when my water was severed and thugs were banging on my door demanding money.

If you're having a great time, wonderful! Enjoy it, rather than lashing out at long-resolved posts.
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time to teach



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gav22 wrote:
Am I the only teacher on here who reads these threads and thinks "why don't you moaning little bitches stay at home in the safety of mummy and daddy's house and leave the traveling to those who are cutout for it?"


No, of course not, but good manners are always in style.

Sounds like you're doing the same thing, moaning and name calling, which is funny, because it makes you sound just like the bitches you say should stay home.

This cafe is filled with bellyaching of all sorts, this one included.

Nice job of turning it into a positive though, sounds like some comment inside the long thread got your goat and you needed to moan about it. Plenty of teachers on here who need to get things off their chests. If not here, where?
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seamallowance



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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bottom line: Avoid Aston Jining and Aston Weishan.

Jining is a gray, flat, smoggy, shithole.

Weishan is worse.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone of you have the right to compliment or bitch or complain or explain in Dave's Cafe: Remember you are FTs in China with emphasis on the FOREIGN, because you are away from your familiar surroundings and away from your friends and support group. And Dave's is for this purpose, a safety valve for all your frustrations or emotional highs.

Remember China is a 3rd world country, a developing country, and because she is opening up you may find there are now spots of 1st world and 2nd world living conditions. Where as before this opening up there were "poverty" everywhere, from north to south, from west to east. And FTs played a great role in this transformation of this poverty stricken country.

So FT's, don't get on each other's nerves, because you are all in the same boat-trying to contribute to the transformation and improvement and modernization of this vast land, with the hope of getting some satisfaction in return. And sometimes you only get a pain in the behind, after all your troubles. That is the unfortunate part. But that too is part
of life. No one promised us "a rose garden".

Life is too short, FTs, enjoy it, the good and the not so good.

Cheers, I was in China from 07-09.
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