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Teatime of Soul
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| Riviello wrote: |
Perhaps I'm wrong, but, if you work at a Training Center you would not receive an FEC. Just an Aliens Work Permit.
Only "real" schools can apply for a FEC. Training Centers = whatever you have.
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Disagree. An FEC is issued whenever a "Foreign Expert" is hired by SAFEA licensed schools, regardless of the type of school.
SAFEA licensed Training centers are "real schools" in that they have school operating licenses, government inspections, and various licenses from local to national level. Your school may not issue you your FEC, but that does not mean it doesn't exist.
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Riviello
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe so, but, why did I receive an Aliens Work Permit from WSE?
I think your "facts" are wrong.
Schools hire Foreign Experts. Training Centers hire "Consultants".
Please address/describe your direct experience with this matter. Enough typed. |
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daCabbie
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Your details of the 'school' change the situation.
You might not even get this document in the end. Go to SAFEA, but realize you might be working illegally, so you might be the one at fault.
Do you work for the circus is Jinan, Shandong? If so, they know about this guy.
Good luck. |
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coffeepresto
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:35 am Post subject: |
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I'm afraid that if I bring this up with anyone at SAFEA I have the risk of getting deported... Right now, I am shopping around for jobs for Sept. I think that I will ask a prospective employer for advice, especially if they would prefer me to start sooner.
I definitely work for a circus but it's in Dalian, not Shandong. No other FTs have had this problem before. |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| If you have an f-visa now then you don't need a letter of release from your school, so i'd just leave this school off my resume, find a way that they won't screw you over financially and move on to more happy times and a more legal job after your contract up |
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Teatime of Soul
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Riviello wrote: |
Maybe so, but, why did I receive an Aliens Work Permit from WSE?
I think your "facts" are wrong.
Schools hire Foreign Experts. Training Centers hire "Consultants".
Please address/describe your direct experience with this matter. Enough typed. |
Seven years experience, quite close ties to school FAO and have actually underwent a two year SAFEA licensing process within a training school.
Sat in the meeting with the SAFEA officials during their licensing inspections of a training school.
So that SAFEA license on the wall of a training school ought be proof enough.
And your experience?
You can have your own opinion, but not the facts.
Really, you might spend some time in China and on these boards before getting snippy.
Cheers. |
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xjgirl
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Teatime of Soul
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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A word of caution, the release letter is now the release letter/letter of reference and it is not uniform - it is sometimes generated at the province level so this link may not link to the version your PSB wants.
And you definitely need the school's red stamp, (school's use more than one red stamp, but they'll know which one to use). |
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Teatime of Soul
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding the release letter, I have heard so much conflicting information that I don't know what to believe.
Right now, I am working for a really lousy language school that has just made life unpleasant and I want to get out. However, I know that the school has a history of withholding release letters.
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| First of all, do I even need a release letter once my visa expires? (I'm on a z visa/residence permit). |
Yes. The Release Letter is now a combined Release Letter/Letter of Recommendation. Your employer is required to provide one copy to you and one to the local PSB.
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| Do I need a release letter if I accept a job in another province (namely, Zhejiang)? |
Yes. Some shady outfits may skirt this requirement, but good schools almost never do.
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| If I do need it, how could I obtain it? |
First ask your school. If they refuse, go to the local PSB and ask them why you don't have one. Be prepared to wait for it there.
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| The school has not technically breached the contract, so I am afraid that, in the event that they withhold the letter, I wouldn't be able to take them to court. |
Forget court. Just keep going to the PSB and asking them to have the school come down to the PSB and give it to you. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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With teatime here.
If you've done nothing wrong and they are withholding, then go to the PSB and demand it. They will call, that is their job. Keep doing it until it happens. Getting a few friends to come along will greatly increase your chances. They will bully police here, and that usually gets them to act.
I have never had this situation, but I have had one's where a few Chinese complaining makes everything happen. |
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coffeepresto
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks everyone, especially Teatime. I am going to work till the end of my contract (not much longer now). Since I plan on moving to another province, I will be sure to ask for the release letter in advance, to give the school a chance to get the ball rolling so I don't have to wait around. If they withhold it, then I will ask a bunch of Chinese friends to accompany me to the PSB. |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:41 am Post subject: |
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it's always a good idea to ask for it early, that way if they don't give it to you right away, u can just stop working.
also, it's a good idea to do it in person, that way your FAO just doesn't throw it into a drawer and forget about it |
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Teatime of Soul
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| xjgirl wrote: |
it's always a good idea to ask for it early, that way if they don't give it to you right away, u can just stop working.
also, it's a good idea to do it in person, that way your FAO just doesn't throw it into a drawer and forget about it |
That works. I have watched an FT sit in a restaurant below his school and wait for the headmaster to deliver the letter before he would go upstairs. It worked.
Oh, and he also offered to call the PSB to come down and help clear up any confusion on the headmaster's part as the the "required to do it" part. |
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mat chen
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:36 am Post subject: |
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I thinK many here are judging procedures in western standards. In parts of China everyone is a friend. The Public Security Bureau people have dinner with the FAO at the school. You can not get justice if you have been wronged because it would require a Chinese friend to punish a friend.
Like the millions on this forum have said in the past. YOU MUST DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND NOT GET TRAPPED. |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I don't think everyone is a friend, come on
i mean, with the prices in restaurants these days, when was the last time your FAO ate out? 2004? |
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