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Jared
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 Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: 2 year diploma + work permit |
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Hello. Just a quick question. Would the Chinese government issue a Z visa and resident permit to someone who has no Bachelors, but a two year diploma from a college like http://www.lethbridgecollege.ab.ca ?
Just thought I'd ask. |
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tributary
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| As the law requires a 4 year+ bachelor degree, you should move on instead of expecting special treatment for those of us with proper credentials. |
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Banner41
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| tributary wrote: |
| As the law requires a 4 year+ bachelor degree, you should move on instead of expecting special treatment for those of us with proper credentials. |
Brutal retort
Anyway, the law says 4 year degree but I have seen many get away with much less. It is up to where you end up and how strict and in need they are of a foreign teacher. Rules are bent/broken here all of the time. You do have to be careful of schools promising you a Z visa then slapping some other visa on you making your work here illegal. At that point it is up to you and the chance you are willing to take with it. Getting a job here is very easy. Getting a good job here is a different story. A four year degree and TEFL cert will open up many of the better jobs. Again, some don't have either and have found ways to stick it out for years and get the experience and find the good jobs later on. Good luck in your search. |
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dog backwards
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I find myself in agreement with both tributary AND Banner 41!
Tributary speaks the truth from the standpoint of the letter of the law.
Banner 41 states something that I have observed. It's possible to get a job with zero experience and no college. These jobs are not worth having. Worse, you will find yourself ill-equipped to teach at any level.
My advice: earn (AT LEAST) a BA degree and some teaching experience. The various additional certificates are useful in securing a teaching position in China. From what I have observed, however, they are not a good substitute for actual class room teaching experience.
There are far too many under-educated and underexperienced FTs working in China. Get a good start in teaching by getting a good education and good teaching experience. |
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Miajiayou
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| A lot of schools can finagle something through the "equivalent of a BA degree" loophole. Schools, especially universities, don't really consider ANYONE a proper teacher if they only have an unrelated BA degree. So, in my experience, they care a lot less about the requirement than some FTs do, unless they have zero connections and have to do everything by the letter. |
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Randolf
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Hello. Just a quick question. Would the Chinese government issue a Z visa and resident permit to someone who has no Bachelors, but a two year diploma from a college like http://www.lethbridgecollege.ab.ca ?
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Yes.
and you'd no doubt be just as effective a teacher as most here. go for it. |
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marmot
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I came here with a two year degree + TEFL cert and no experience. I was offered a job at nearly every school I applied to all over China. It really is that easy here. |
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dog backwards
Joined: 27 Jan 2011
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| Yes, I came here with a two year degree + TEFL cert and no experience. I was offered a job at nearly every school I applied to all over China. It really is that easy here. |
You didn't apply to public universities. Three-year colleges out in the boonies, possibly, but more likely you applied to places like Lucky Joe's Happy Language Center. |
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tributary
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| tributary wrote: |
| As the law requires a 4 year+ bachelor degree, you should move on instead of expecting special treatment for those of us with proper credentials. |
Brutal retort
Anyway, the law says 4 year degree but I have seen many get away with much less. It is up to where you end up and how strict and in need they are of a foreign teacher. Rules are bent/broken here all of the time. You do have to be careful of schools promising you a Z visa then slapping some other visa on you making your work here illegal. At that point it is up to you and the chance you are willing to take with it. Getting a job here is very easy. Getting a good job here is a different story. A four year degree and TEFL cert will open up many of the better jobs. Again, some don't have either and have found ways to stick it out for years and get the experience and find the good jobs later on. Good luck in your search. |
Brutal? Excuse me? This is the legal fact. It is not my place and I refuse to lead people on that they should willingly break the law, skirt the rules, regulations, and credentials required for employment. If your life revolves around the need to commit criminal fraud to get a job in a foreign land, then there is something more serious going on in your life.
What is so magical about China that people are so happy to break the law and must rush out of their homeland?
A 4 year bachelor degree is required
Age 25+ is now required
2 years teaching experience is now required
TEFL type certificate is now REQUIRED
These requirements are quickly becoming enforced |
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time to teach
Joined: 03 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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So not true, plenty of kindy and kids jobs all over China for white, native speakers without BA/BA degrees ages 21 and up.
There are always posters here who rant about laws and rules and enforcements and regulations, but the truth is none of it matters.
China is too big, and the EFL/ESL industry here is too corrupt, for any of us to take this stuff so seriously. |
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Banner41
Joined: 04 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| tributary wrote: |
| Banner41 wrote: |
| tributary wrote: |
| As the law requires a 4 year+ bachelor degree, you should move on instead of expecting special treatment for those of us with proper credentials. |
Brutal retort
Anyway, the law says 4 year degree but I have seen many get away with much less. It is up to where you end up and how strict and in need they are of a foreign teacher. Rules are bent/broken here all of the time. You do have to be careful of schools promising you a Z visa then slapping some other visa on you making your work here illegal. At that point it is up to you and the chance you are willing to take with it. Getting a job here is very easy. Getting a good job here is a different story. A four year degree and TEFL cert will open up many of the better jobs. Again, some don't have either and have found ways to stick it out for years and get the experience and find the good jobs later on. Good luck in your search. |
Brutal? Excuse me? This is the legal fact. It is not my place and I refuse to lead people on that they should willingly break the law, skirt the rules, regulations, and credentials required for employment. If your life revolves around the need to commit criminal fraud to get a job in a foreign land, then there is something more serious going on in your life.
What is so magical about China that people are so happy to break the law and must rush out of their homeland?
A 4 year bachelor degree is required
Age 25+ is now required
2 years teaching experience is now required
TEFL type certificate is now REQUIRED
These requirements are quickly becoming enforced |
Good to see such a law abiding citizen. Keep up the good work!  |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| tributary wrote: |
A 4 year bachelor degree is required
Age 25+ is now required
2 years teaching experience is now required
TEFL type certificate is now REQUIRED
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Maybe then you can explain why there are so many jobs...even on this very website... that say differently?
Laws and regulations differ according to each province. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| tributary wrote: |
A 4 year bachelor degree is required
Age 25+ is now required
2 years teaching experience is now required
TEFL type certificate is now REQUIRED
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Maybe then you can explain why there are so many jobs...even on this very website... that say differently?
Laws and regulations differ according to each province. |
The only reason they seem to differ is because some local official allows it. There are many "laws" that apply in all provinces, the only difference seems to be interpretation. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:51 am Post subject: |
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The 'brutal' part Tributary is because you included a haughty backhander at the OP to in effect stay away from the territory you occupy.
ESL in China is not a closed shop. Anyone is entitled to have a go and also to post their questions on Dave's.
I have a two year community college diploma + a short course ESL cert.
My longest job was 18months at a Tier One university in the Northeast and I was also worked one year as Director of Teaching Affairs at 3 year Associate Degree provincial level vocational college.
Positive student feedback always at or near the top of the FTs on staff.
OP may not get the top jobs first up but if you end up in a reasonable sized city get your fave student to take you to the FAOs at the nearby 'better' universities. You will get offers.
And don't look down on the vocational colleges. My best teaching experiences were in the two of these I've worked at. |
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