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Tricks played by Russian schools, what to look out for...
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Dyadya Misha



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Registration is another trick. Employees are not liable for the costs involved with this, despite what your employer may say.


Sahsa, are you sure about this? Is it in the Labour Code?

Also, my school doesn't pay teachers for public holidays, probably on the grounds that we're not salaried. Is this legit?
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not salaried? What means this? That you are paid by the hour? Not important. You have a visa - a contract. You work. You are entitled to holiday pay. Perhaps you will not get anything until the end of your contract, but you simply are entitled to holiday pay. How it is calculated is another question. Usually they just add up the total hours you taught in the classroom over the year and pay you proportional to that.

As for residency I confess that I have not read this myself in the Labour Code, but as I am told, not everything is actually written in the Labour Code. Procedures relating to immigration are a separate legal minefield. But my lawyers assure me that the responsibility does not lie with employees. (This could have changed umpteen times since they told me this, of course.) In any case, it's the employer who takes it in the neck if you are not legally registered - to the tune of half a million rubles. Do they care to play chicken?
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Dyadya Misha



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that - they probably won't play chicken, but it will come out of my salary. 2,000 roobs every time I re-enter the country.

And yeah, I'm paid by the hour and am, by default, on the same terms as the school - if the student cancels within 24 hrs of the class, I get paid; if they cancel before that, neither I nor the school gets a kopeck.
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smithrn1983



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2000r is too much for registration. sounds like you're paying someone to stand in line. the actual cost of the procedure is around 200r.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They need a copy of your new migration slip for the new registration. Just tell 'em that you'd prefer not to get the registration if it costs you and don't offer up the slip.

This is a business overhead, the same of the renting of the school premises. Should we be liable for that too?
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Peg Leg Pete



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithrn1983 wrote:
2000r is too much for registration. sounds like you're paying someone to stand in line. the actual cost of the procedure is around 200r.


Yep, they have someone who stands in line for them. Offered to do it myself, but got knocked back.
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Peg Leg Pete



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dyadya Misha wrote:
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Sahsa, are you sure about this? Is it in the Labour Code?

Also, my school doesn't pay teachers for public holidays, probably on the grounds that we're not salaried. Is this legit?


No, it's not legit. However, the labour code gets mentioned for many things. When it suits them, that is. It's a good idea to read up on the labour code and be one step ahead. Wink
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dyadya Misha wrote:


And yeah, I'm paid by the hour and am, by default, on the same terms as the school - if the student cancels within 24 hrs of the class, I get paid; if they cancel before that, neither I nor the school gets a kopeck.


This may be true, but I wouldn't take the school's word for that. A subtle enquiry of the student can reveal that the school was indeed paid for a cancellation, in full, but nothing was passed on to the teacher. Not saying this is true in your, or every, situation, but it wouldn't be the first time this has happened...
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Dyadya Misha



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Dyadya Misha wrote:


And yeah, I'm paid by the hour and am, by default, on the same terms as the school - if the student cancels within 24 hrs of the class, I get paid; if they cancel before that, neither I nor the school gets a kopeck.


This may be true, but I wouldn't take the school's word for that. A subtle enquiry of the student can reveal that the school was indeed paid for a cancellation, in full, but nothing was passed on to the teacher. Not saying this is true in your, or every, situation, but it wouldn't be the first time this has happened...


That's one area I know they aren't screwing me.

It's usually a student who pays for their own lessons cancelling late and then trying to wriggle out of it. Then we play the opposite game - I point to my contract and tell the company I'm getting paid and the company can charge or not as it pleases.
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ancient_dweller



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the school then puts the burden on the teacher by saying 'the student does not want to pay for the missed lesson, if you let her off she will continue to pay for more lessons'. So they blackmail you into giving up the last minute cancellation consolation...
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That one has not happened to me, thankfully. To be honest though, if it ever did, I'd be very sus - very few of my own privates have ever made an issue of this, so I'd imagine that school students wouldn't either if they know that the policy is what it is. Usually what happens is that the student does in fact cancel the lesson in good time, but the school fails to notify the teacher, and then tries to wriggle out of paying, never admitting that it was responsible. If the teacher doesn't make a fuss, then all's well.

If it ever came to it though, I think I'd have to ask the school to give me a student who was willing to pay, and ditch the non-payer.
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smithrn1983



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Usually what happens is that the student does in fact cancel the lesson in good time, but the school fails to notify the teacher, and then tries to wriggle out of paying, never admitting that it was responsible.


This is why you give the students your phone number, and have them contact you directly, preferably by sms. Just don't delete the message until after you've been paid in case any disputes come up. I've never had a problem with this, though, at any school.
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Shelby



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my first post on this site but, having worked in Russia (not Moscow or St Pete) for the past 7 months, I would like to say that there are some excellent employers out there. Guess I just got lucky but I have been looked after throughout my stay. Location wasn't amazing but it was definitely Russia! Can't wait to get back.

One word of warning for newbies. If you are not going to Moscow or St Pete you need to learn Russian. I haven't met a single English speaker outside of the school so if you don't speak Russian you don't speak!
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