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MissCeliaJ



Joined: 24 Jun 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Completely Overwhelmed!! Reply with quote

Hello,
I'm a recent university graduate and qualified TEFL teacher (140 hours online course) and I'm looking to do a year teching in China - but I'm completely overwhelmed by how many jobs there are. I've not done full blown teaching before and I haven't a clue what I should be looking for in a potential job.
I don't know much about China and I'd love to go anywhere, really. Can anyone suggest any good schools to get in contact with, or any particular jobs they've seen in China that I should apply for?
Any comments would be useful
Thanks very much,
Celia
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7969



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take some time to read through the pages of this forum. The main reason the stuff is archived is to help people who need info.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a nice place called Linfen. I'd head there.
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mightylakarose



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:51 am    Post subject: overwhelmed Reply with quote

Which city you choose largely depends on what you are looking for. I have found that in just about every city except for Beijing and Shanghai, locals will stare at you everywhere you go. If you do not want to be the centre of attention at all times, I would recommend Beijing or Shanghai. Both of these cities are very expensive, but offer a mix of old culture and modern China.

As for what kind of a job you would like, that also depends. If you would like to teach English at a college or Uni, you should watch out for second and third tier schools. Often in those schools, students are not much interested in learning English and would rather sit in class, twiddle their cellphones and do homework for other classes. Ideally, a foreign owned learning centre will offer the best money and students will want to learn as they are often businesspeople who spend lots of money to attend.

I guess that if you want a more unique adventure, I suppose a small city in a less populated province but as someone who tried that, I got tired very quickly of being stared and pointed at constantly ('heloo foreeener'). i am now happliy residing in Beijing.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Linfen�s definitely on the �must see� list.
The cute smiles of those kids with the funny lips..
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Bisis



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a big question your asking, there are many factors to consider. Here's a few:
Salary
Bonuses
Travel compensation
Vacation time
Housing
Type of city - big, small, western conveniences
Working with kids or adults
Working in private language center or public school
Teaching hours/total hours working per week

These are all factors should be considered as part of your decision. I'm probably a little biased, but working with a reputable teacher placement agency that is in China could make this a little easier for you.
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Miles Smiles



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Location: Heebee Jeebee

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Completely Overwhelmed!! Reply with quote

MissCeliaJ wrote:
I've not done full blown teaching before and I haven't a clue what I should be looking for in a potential job.

xxx


Full blown teaching?

I suggest that you get the requisite teaching experience in your own country, then come to China. You owe it to yourself and to your students. Otherwise, you'll be singing songs in college class rooms when they really need vocabulary exercises, and conducting wacked-out psychodramas when the students need to work on writing and reading comprehension.

If you're still heck-bent on coming over to teach, I suggest that you do your own homework. There are dozens of job boards online. This might be a good time for you to develop one very necessary trait of any good teacher: resourcefulness.

No offense intended, but do you have any idea how many people post questions like this on Dave's each week?
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zanerguy



Joined: 19 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're wondering what kind of job to apply for, first decide on which age groups you'd feel more comfortable working with. Also keep in mind what kind of hours you would like to work. Kindergartens, primary schools, etc. will take up your Mon-Fri, and most training centers are evenings and weekends. In general you will be working with smaller groups of students in the training centers.
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chryanvii



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine told me this is how he got to where he was in China:

Put a big map of China on the wall [buy from local bookstore].

Blindfold yourself.

Grab a thumbtack and place it on the map. This is where you will go!

[But be sure to try to point to the low end of the map. Although South China is very hot in the Summer, North China is very COLD]

Xiamen is a very nice city with a lot of beautiful things to see nearby. I don't recommend Shanghai as your first city, even though that's where I'm headed [business reasons].
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YAMARI



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: Completely Overwhelmed!! Reply with quote

Miles Smiles wrote:
MissCeliaJ wrote:
I've not done full blown teaching before and I haven't a clue what I should be looking for in a potential job.

xxx


Full blown teaching?

I suggest that you get the requisite teaching experience in your own country, then come to China. You owe it to yourself and to your students. Otherwise, you'll be singing songs in college class rooms when they really need vocabulary exercises, and conducting wacked-out psychodramas when the students need to work on writing and reading comprehension.

If you're still heck-bent on coming over to teach, I suggest that you do your own homework. There are dozens of job boards online. This might be a good time for you to develop one very necessary trait of any good teacher: resourcefulness.

No offense intended, but do you have any idea how many people post questions like this on Dave's each week?


pretty arrogant aren't you so sad to be stuck in the left brain- dont listen to this guy you dont need to teach before coming and are you needed here for the conversational side of the langauge. Grammar reading and writing are not the students weak points.
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MisterButtkins



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: Completely Overwhelmed!! Reply with quote

YAMARI wrote:
Grammar reading and writing are not the students weak points.


Dude I don't know about that, I think a lot of the kids are quite bad at grammar and writing. As for reading sure they have a big vocabulary but when you ask them a question like "What is the author's point of view?" or even "What's the main idea?" they are clueless.
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chinanoodles



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Completely Overwhelmed!! Reply with quote

MisterButtkins wrote:
YAMARI wrote:
Grammar reading and writing are not the students weak points.


Dude I don't know about that, I think a lot of the kids are quite bad at grammar and writing. As for reading sure they have a big vocabulary but when you ask them a question like "What is the author's point of view?" or even "What's the main idea?" they are clueless.


True. Critical thinking skills are generally quite lacking.

The Chinese system of education seems to confuse the ability to speak English with that of making English noises.

I find it slightly amusing that the overwhelming majority of my students overuse the crap out of the word 'clever' yet so few seem to posses that trait when it comes to learning.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: Completely Overwhelmed!! Reply with quote

YAMARI wrote:


pretty arrogant aren't you so sad to be stuck in the left brain- dont listen to this guy you dont need to teach before coming and are you needed here for the conversational side of the langauge. Grammar reading and writing are not the students weak points.


Arrogant? I think not.

While it is true that one can come to China for an all-expenses paid vacation with little-to-no qualification, when one arrives in China, there will be no one to hold the foreign supposed-teacher's hand once classes start. The foreign teacher should be capable of teaching language when he arrives, not months later when it finally sinks in that he is expected to be doing something in class. Granted, there are adjustments which even an experienced teacher must make when he arrives. I've seen TOO MANY tourists come to China only to waste students' valuable time for an entire year.

The prospective teacher who asks the questions which the OP has asked lacks a very important trait of the effective teacher: resourcefulness. Another trait which the OP lacks is experience.

I won't respond to the boorish personal attack by YAMARI, but I will suggest that he learn the basics of writing the English language and bone up on his spelling a little while he's at it, though I will grant him that minimal English skills are expected of many foreign teachers in China.
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coffeepresto



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, Miles, that was a bit harsh, don't you think? She's asking for advice on where to start. It is very difficult to imagine what kind of things to expect or consider when applying for a job in another country. And anyway, what does it matter where she gets her first teaching job? The first teaching job is basically the same anywhere you go - at first you're far from perfect, and then you learn from your mistakes (and your achievements).

And to the OP, I agree with the other comments on this thread. You need to consider where you want to live and what age group you'd prefer to teach. Salary is also important; if you're coming straight out of uni, then perhaps you've been saddled with loans, which can't be put into deferment/forbearance forever. However, I think that because you don't have teaching experience, your offers may be limited. My advice would be to come up with a list of possible locations, then investigate schools there and apply directly to them.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: Completely Overwhelmed!! Reply with quote

Miles Smiles wrote:
The foreign teacher should be capable of teaching language when he arrives, not months later when it finally sinks in that he is expected to be doing something in class.


This is an untrue message to new teachers.

Many schools openly advertise for teachers with no experience. Many ask for (and secretly require) no experience at all. Many schools want FOB's that they can mold the way they like them.

Not all, but many.

No need for all the personal attacks / insults, either. Let the facts speak for themselves and put the emotional diatribe to bed, please.
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