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Malaysian situation very dire for foreign teachers..?

 
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gloomyGumi



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:43 pm    Post subject: Malaysian situation very dire for foreign teachers..? Reply with quote

Foreign investors as well as foreign workers are worried that any groundswell of anti-government sentiment could delay economic reforms seen as essential to draw investment. This commotion could very easily curb the issuances of work visas for foreign workers and teachers.

"Malaysian civil society is showing the government that intimidation will not work," said Ooi Kee Beng, a political analyst at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies of Singapore. "However, there is no confidence that the government will be willing to compromise on anything. Therefore, the opposition has and will continue to grow stronger, which can quite literally lead to violent civil unrest as 2013 approaches."
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KayuJati



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? I will note that as I begin my 16th year of teaching tomorrow morning.
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Soupman



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above (except visas) would not affect any teacher based there for the duration of a normal contract. As for visas, the link between cranky politics and issuing of visas is a tenuous one.

Malaysia�s future is no bed of roses, can�t argue there.

Years ago, Mahathir, presumably on a break from building towers and shiny bridges, dreamed up a Vision 2020, which would see Malaysia fully developed by that year. Clearly that�s not going to happen, and the Wawasan 2020 signs are long since gone. The 9 July 2011 demonstrations, meanwhile, go some way to show the depth of feeling amongst opposition parties. A bigger concern should be the racial divide, which has gotten bigger.

It�s no secret that Malaysia operates a privilege system for ethnic Malays. Not quite apartheid, it offers benefits such as certain university places, jobs and housing, for example, to Malays. We�re not talking pocket money here, but without this system, there would have been big problems long ago, e.g. the Malaysian Chinese would now own the entire country. I say that, there would actually have been bloody civil unrest way before then. Peace has been maintained, but do we really think the Malaysian Chinese (about 40 to 45% of the population) are happy? (Tip: Don�t go asking one as a conversational icebreaker.)
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gloomyGumi



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Malaysia�s future is no bed of roses, can�t argue there.



You are spot on there. The ethnic tension alone is enough to derail Malaysia's hopes and dreams of being an internationally-respected FIRST-world country. In no way at all can it be considered more than a 3rd world country at this point, and the World Bank and IMF wholeheartedly agree. Malaysia is a ticking time bomb, soon to follow in one of those color revolutions like we are seeing in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, etc.

Sure, if all of Malaysia were like KL, it would be approaching a 1st world status, but as it stands now, Malaysia is still considered a 3rd world nation. Throw in rising ethnic/religious inequalities----it's 2012 in a few short months and people around the world are waking up---and you've got a nasty situation brewing on the horizon.

And I DO think this will effect visa issuances, if for no other reason than for the political chaos and beaurocratic bottlenecks that will undoubtedly ensue big time.
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KayuJati



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soupman wrote:
Years ago, Mahathir, presumably on a break from building towers and shiny bridges, dreamed up a Vision 2020, which would see Malaysia fully developed by that year. Clearly that�s not going to happen, and the Wawasan 2020 signs are long since gone.


Well, yes, the Wawasan 2020 signs are gone, but that is to be expected. Each new Prime Minister wants to stamp his vision of the future on people's minds, so after Mahathir's Wawasan 2020 we got Badawi's Islam Hadhari and now Najib's 1Malaysia. It is all for show, not much else happens.

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... but do we really think the Malaysian Chinese (about 40 to 45% of the population) are happy?


Wow, are you off in your percentage. The ethic Chinese make up more like 23% (or less) of the total population. Still, they control the economy via their family-owned businesses, international connections (Bamboo Curtain) and hard work ethic.

This demonstration (and I use the word loosely to include what happened) was not as serious as the one three years ago. Basically, everyone got what they wanted. The Bersih 2.0 people got arrested (this gives them international exposure), the gov't and police stopped the march (if you watch youtube, it was more like the police attacked a bunch of people sitting on the road), and Khairy-the-Media-Hog got his name in the papers again. All-in-all, it was a very Malaysian "demonstration", quite polite except for the one death and some people getting tear-gassed. It would have gone down as a non-event had the police and gov't not deliberately over-reacted. Everyone declared it a WIN for their side at the end of the day. Win-win-win.

So, on to the elections, probably next spring. Keep an eye out for youtube videos; the last time they caught Najib on-camera telling some kampung folk that if they elected his candidate on SUNDAY, then his gov't would give them RM5 million in development on MONDAY.
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gloomyGumi



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

could be more smoke and mirrors than Im saying it is, but Malaysia is rapidly being infected with the same sentiment causing massive civil unrest in Thailand and Indonesia. With the ethnic tensions as they are, its quite easy to foresee civil unrest there soon, too. Who would've dreamed Mubarak and company in Tunisia, Libya, Yemen and now suddenly Syria, etc, would be dethroned/that the people would suddenly demand racial and political equality so unexpectedly?

I see that happening in Malaysia before Christmas. Just my take on it. Smile
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KayuJati



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gloomyGumi wrote:
I see that happening in Malaysia before Christmas. Just my take on it. Smile


Okay, it's a deal. We'll revisit this thread at Christmas time.
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wailing_imam



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chinese now make up only 23% of the population of Malaysia, down from around 50% at the time of independence. If Singapore had stayed in the union, there would have been more Chinese (at that time). However, the Malays breed like rabbits and the Chinese barely breed at all so the demographics have shifted enormously in the past 50 years. In Singapore the Chinese also don't breed, but the government seems to have got round this (want to keep the Chinese dominance alive) by importing plenty of fresh and willing Chinese from the mainland.
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gloomyGumi



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a deal. Smile Hey I don't WISH for any bad stuff, Im a political atheist. Im not a right or left or center person. I just call it the way I see it, like a doctor that gives you a prognosis.
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Kana65



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gloomyGumi wrote:
I just call it the way I see it, like a doctor that gives you a prognosis.



Well If you were my doctor I would sue you for malpractice....After reading some of the hysterical nonsense on this page I wonder if some of the people here have ever been to Malaysia?

Malaysia teetering on the edge of a revolution? Really???? I�m not sure in what Bizarro world this is occurring but it certainly isn�t the Malaysia I�ve lived in for the last ten years.

So there was a demonstration last week by the Bersih coalition seeking clean elections . By the way, the numbers of people attending this demonstration were far less than what was reported by CNN . I live in Ipoh but several of my colleagues went (I am the only expat in my department)The government dispersed them one bystander died of an unrelated heart attack and that was it. It wasn�t the start of a �Malaysian spring� a ridiculous expression!

I am married to a Malaysian Indian and most my friends are Malaysians as are my work colleagues and the only people talking in such dire, apocalyptic, silly terms are foreigners.

It is both insulting and shows an incredible ignorance to compare Malaysia to Libya and Egypt top down dictatorships run by in each case one criminal family and their cronies.

Malaysia is a one party state up to this point in time but it is had six prime ministers and other parties have served in the parliament. Is it time for a change and a different party to get a shot? Absolutely and it will happen peacefully over time but the country�s not going to fall apart in the interim.

Does Malaysia have problems? Sure although I feel the Bumi thing will solve itself. Even Najib has said it�s time to empower all the ethnic groups which was his political way of introducing the dismantling of the Bumiputra privileges into the conversation. The government recognizes what a bad thing for the country the brain drain caused by preferences for Bumis is. By the way. I wouldn�t compare the Bumi system to apartheid. It�s more like affirmative action for the majority who as Dr. Mahathir explains in his book THE MALAY DILEMMA(which I would recommend to anyone who wants to understand the thinking behind this) need extra help because of a number of societal and cultural factors(including colonialism and inbreeding and the lack of modernity/the Malaysian kampung lifestyle). It�s tenuous argument at best and even he says in the book that a Bumi system should be only temporary not permanent. I imagine we will see the end of most Bumi privileges (but not all-some financial will stay) within the next decade.

A bigger problem is the endemic corruption that taints everything. I would disagree with those who say Malaysia is a third world country. I�ve traveled around Italy and other so-called first world countries and also grew up in a small town in a very rural area of Northern California that was poor by American standards. Almost anywhere you go you will find areas that might be described as third world type places.

However, the corruption interferes with progress. I would describe Malaysia as a first world country in terms of economy and progress that still has a third world mentality when it comes to transparency in government.

In regards to immigration granting less visas, I think as far as professionals that�s not going to happen. As far as restaurant workers from India go yes I think they might limit the visas(in fact they already are the place where eat lunch on the weekends has been trying to get a cook for months) but that�s not necessarily a cause for panic.

As far as my own experience, every year I�ve dealt with the government, the experience has gotten better and I�ve received more efficient service. Immigration has gotten more streamlined and I was finally able to apply for permanent residency. Dealings with the Tax Board has also gotten easier and my refund was early this year.

I�m bullish about Malaysia. In addition to positioning themselves as hubs for banking (especially Islamic Banking) and education, they are also aiming for the medical tourism market. Malaysia has a lot more to offer than Thailand I think in this area.

The bottom line is the Malaysian economy has grown every year I�ve been here and one demonstration is no going to change that.

Incidentally, who gives a damn what the IMF thinks? In 1998 Mahathir pegged the riingit to the dollar and increased spending (like the Malaysian vesion of TARP) and told the IMF to go F themselves and he was right. The Malaysian economy weathered the financial crisis much better than its neighbours. While Malaysia does still have some money in the general fund, it currently I believe has no outstanding loans with the IMF.

Malaysia�s future is very bright----Put on some shades!
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gloomyGumi



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Malaysia teetering on the edge of a revolution? Really???? I�m not sure in what Bizarro world this is occurring but it certainly isn�t the Malaysia I�ve lived in for the last ten years.



Thats what plenty of Egyptians, Libyans and Bahrainis were saying up til about last January 15th or so. Smile
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Soupman



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I�m married to a Malaysian (Chinese), which is irrelevant. Unlike Kayujati, I had no inclination to wiki for the percentage population of Chinese.

No one with sixteen years in Malaysia should be disregarded, but neither can those who chose to move on. My wife and I settled happily elsewhere. As a non-Bumiputra, she can do better overseas. But unlike anyone of us reading, she grew up in Malaysia, goes back regular and has extended family there. She sees those subtle changes in her own country over four decades. None of us can say that. It�s not our country.

I left Malaysia because I was sick of being the white face. I was professional and good at my job, but if I�d been a Malaysian who grew up in the west with perfect English, the same opportunities in Malaysian English language education afforded to me would have been minimal. I defy anyone on here to defend that; having a white face as a door opener?

I�m now a foreigner in a country of other white faces, a country where I have to use a second language and be judged on my merits. Pretty much every English-teaching expatriate I met and still meet in Southeast Asia will never be able to say the same.

Many Malaysians study in English-speaking countries to at least undergraduate level. A lot, not all, of those speak English to native-speaker levels. ALL will speak Malay and/or Mandarin, Cantonese or possibly Tamil. And yet the Malaysian government gets one-language white faces in to mentor Malaysian teachers. It�s slightly bizarre and not the white faces�s fault. However, when I look in the mirror each morning, I like to think I go to work for a reason and have a purpose for being there, and not just this white face.
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KayuJati



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soupman wrote:
I�m married to a Malaysian (Chinese), which is irrelevant. Unlike Kayujati, I had no inclination to wiki for the percentage population of Chinese.


Yeah, I didn't ber-wiki-kan for that statistic; it is an oft-stated percentage and I tend to remember things.

Just because some of us choose not to slam the country in online forums does not mean that we are unaware of the politics and issues floating about. They do go after bloggers, so I prefer to keep a low profile.

I tend to spend most of my time with Malays, so I have a fairly good grasp of their aspirations and potential. If I hung out with the Chinese community mostly, I would see things differently.

I will revisit this topic around Christmas to see if gloomy's prediction comes true; otherwise, it might be wise to move on to other topics.

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