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dragonfly58



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:59 am    Post subject: Converting Chinese pay Reply with quote

Does anyone know if the Chinese RMB can or can not be converted into other currencies? I was reading a expat website and it said the Chinese money can not be converted into other currencies.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:00 am    Post subject: Thanks for the response Reply with quote

Thank you for your response. Can you tell me how to do that? Ie, at the bank?
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Mister Al



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, at the fish counter at your nearest fresh market. Laughing
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can, but it's not like back at home where you bring the money to the bank and they simply do the exchange.

This is all from memory, so maybe some things have changed.

As a foreigner may need up to the following:

- Passport

- Valid visa

- The declaration card that shows how much money you brought into China when you first came

- Salary slip detailing your income, tax paid, etc.

- Proper exchange forms, completely filled out

- Proper government income statement forms, completely filled out

- Personal banking information

I believe you are limited to up to $500 dollars, and up to 50% of your monthly net salary (not gross).

If you are Chinese (those who are most likely to funnel money out of China), you simply need an ID card and fill out a few forms.
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dragonfly58



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your responses.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get a Chinese friend to do it at Bank of China it is much simpler. They don't need lots of documents. I get my wife to do it, then I just send the money to my account back home, no reason to hold foreign currency here.

In the states it was a real hassle before I came here. I was trying to get some RMB. Had to open a bank account, wait a few days, and got a bad exchange rate. I never opened the account or changed money there. It was much less hassle to do it here.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the search function isn't always working but remitting money from China would have to have had most posts by far over the last several years.
If you're sending to US now's the time. With the US so weak you will get more for your RMB.
Don't forget Western Union. But you need to get your US$ in China first. There are touts around most BoC branches.
Watch for counterfeits though.
When I first sent money home in 2004 you could do it yourself. A hassle and multiple queuing.
Now using a Chinese friend is necessary.
Why foreigners who have the most apparent need to remit are barred yet Chinese who have no apparent need to remit are allowed to, beats me.
You should have the SWIFT number of your home bank. Take your passport and of course your BoC passbook - if that's who you are banking with and your ATM card to make sure.
You never know what you will be asked for.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been through every imaginable headache over exchanging rmb for dollars. Some or all of the advice previously offered may work.

Some or all may NOT work with one exception: bring a Chinese friend to do it for you. Get a new friend for each exchange and go to different banks each time.

Bring a Chinese citizen to execute the exchange. What you MAY encounter should you attempt to do it yourself could be quite unpleasant.

Your mileage may vary, but I believe that it is becoming more and more difficult for round eyed people to exchange rmb for dollars.

And no, I don't live in an undeveloped province, and I don't live in a small village.
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7969



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
I know the search function isn't always working but remitting money from China would have to have had most posts by far over the last several years.

One of them is on the very first page of the off topic forum. See the link below.

Non Sequitur wrote:
Now using a Chinese friend is necessary.
Why foreigners who have the most apparent need to remit are barred yet Chinese who have no apparent need to remit are allowed to, beats me.

Where did you get the idea that foreigners are "barred" from remitting money? This is just not true. Follow the procedure in place (which may vary from here to there) and it isn't that hard. Having a Chinese friend (as a translator if nothing else) do the transaction for you makes it a lot easier but you can still do it yourself.

new law for changing currency?
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:
Having a Chinese friend (as a translator if nothing else) do the transaction for you makes it a lot easier but you can still do it yourself.



I respectfully disagree. This isn't true everywhere.

In my city, it was possible for me to execute the exchange with only the help of an English-speaking information officer ONCE. Even then, it was a bizarre experience that included having my photo taken, numerous copies of my passport, FEC, contract and a letter of employment from my school made, and being grilled if my income had been "obtained legally." (An FEC, a passport with an RP and Z visa, a contract, tax info, and a letter of employment wasn't enough!

After that one success, it became impossible for me to do it myself. No matter how much documentation I produced, the bank required yet another document, one of which no one knew the name of. (Only in China).

After going to EVERY bank in my city in one day (including BoC where I have an account) my FAO called her friend who works for a bank and was told exactly what the State Bureau of Foreign Exchange told me: Get a Chinese citizen to make the transaction. It MAY be the only way for me to exchange money.

In my case, it IS the only way.

I won't be surprised when more and more FTs begin to experience problems. The SBFE knows that a problem exists in some places, but it cannot control the banks. NOBODY can give me a satisfactory explanation for the problem. Not even my FAO's friend could offer a reason except that "each bank has its own policy."

Other FTs in my city claim to have experienced no problems making exchanges. Deeper probing revealed that they haven't attempted to exchange money for more than six months, some for years.

I wish continued success to those who experience no problems making currency exchanges AND transferring money from a Chinese account to a foreign account (yet another adventure).
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wangdaning wrote:
If you get a Chinese friend to do it at Bank of China it is much simpler. They don't need lots of documents. I get my wife to do it, then I just send the money to my account back home, no reason to hold foreign currency here.

In the states it was a real hassle before I came here. I was trying to get some RMB. Had to open a bank account, wait a few days, and got a bad exchange rate. I never opened the account or changed money there. It was much less hassle to do it here.


Of course.

There is not much RMB floating around in North America; they have to special order it. There ARE American dollars in China but even if the bank has it handy, they need all that paperwork.

We are talking about commonly traded currencies.

In Vancouver, I just walk into the bank and trade my US for CAN. No ID, not paperwork, no nothing.

Seattle, I did the same.

@Miles Smiles:

I feel your pain; I just have a Chinese friend do it for me now.

Time?

2 minutes.

If I do it alone?

An hour+

And I speak dang-near fluent Chinese.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only Western U involves having actual bank notes.
A bank to bank transfer is electronic.
Of course there is the physical carry approach which has some personal security risk but the amount allowed to be taken out is quite high.
Still you need to be actually going home or have a trusted person who is traveling who can bank it for you.
In my home country even quite small bank branches will take RMB and give you local.
They don't usually have a lot of RMB on hand if you are converting the other way. Next day they'll have it though.
Overall my in China experience mirrors Miles Smiles.
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peewee1979



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recent experience:

On Friday go into Bank Of China. They dote on me and help me to fill out the form and put me next into the line and allow me to change only $500usd even though I wanted more. Was smooth and takes about 5 minutes. Many smiles from the staff.

Next day I go into a different Bank Of China location. Sorry we can not change money on the weekend, come back on Monday.

I never heard that before. My Chinese friend asks if she can change the money, they say come back Monday.

We are in a touristy area and find another branch of BOC so we go in. This one say "Sorry foreigners can not change money in China, it is forbidden..."

Friend asks if she can do it. They say come back Monday.

Monday comes around we go into a different branch. She does it with me at her side. Teller watches me count and give her enough rmb for $1500 worth of USD. Really quick ( once our number was called). Teller also beams my way.

There is about 125 rmb of change left over, I tell my Chinese friend she can keep it. She's ecstatic, smiles, and quickly puts the money in her purse.

Some notes: I left money in my Chinese bank account and the atm card works fine at select banks out of China and gives you that counties local currency. The fee is 3% teh CHinese bank told me PLUS whatever fees charged by the bank you use.

Trying to get rmb outside of China is an unwise move - the loss is about 20% of face value PLUS bank fees. If you are coming to China every airport has ATMs and exchange windows that are open. Use the atm, it is cheaper than the window as they tack on fees for the privilege of changing your money either way.

If you know you are going to leave China at a certain point start to change your money in advance or simply bring a Chinese friend. Best to plan ahead and change your money several weeks in advance if you can.
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