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[peewee1979]

My first job in China and I went to a school called Delter. DELTER TELFORT or Delter Business Institute. It has several variations that they use.

I came in as a replacement teacher. It means every other teacher had quit and I was recruited to work the rest of the year.

Let me start by saying that Delter is a horrible place. There are so many things to say about it but I will just focus on the worst aspects of this �school�.

To begin with this �school� has no real accreditation of any sort and no physical campus or locations. They are parasites that live in a host school. They are not legally authorized to get you a working visa and they cannot get you a working visa.

They outright lie to you and tell you to come on a tourist visa and they will change it for you but they cannot and do not do that. They have your tourist visa extended and if they want to get you a working visa they have to ask the host school to do it � if the host school can. In fact I never worked for Delter, I worked for the host school even though Delter said I would work for them.

This created many problems, because EVERY teacher got cheated repeatedly out of salary, over-taxed, cheated out of airfare, and never got the traveling money as promised in the contract. When the teachers went to the host school with these problem the host school said � You DO NOT work for us, regardless what the contract says� and �Delter tells us how much to pay you and if there is a problem you need to deal with them�. What happened is all the teachers got screwed, repeatedly.

Some teachers got taxed way too much. One teacher couldn�t understand why his salary of 6000 rmb had 2300 rmb taken out in a month of taxes. The finance office at the school told him to talk to Delter, Delter said talk to the finance office. Needless to say he quit soon after.

Every teacher got cheated on airfare. It was a shame. Delter made up numerous excuses as to why their airfare was shorted or not paid; the favorite excuse was that school was over and the finance office was closed for the summer and if they wanted their airfare they need to come back in September.

As mentioned EVERY teacher worked on a tourist visa. This is a reason no one should ever do this. One man was teaching English and they didn�t seem to like him much. He came on a 30 day tourist visa. After 28 days in China and working for Delter full time they called him into the office and told him they couldn�t give him a working visa as promised. They kept his passport the whole month. They told him he had to leave the school that day! On top of it, they didn�t pay him his salary saying he didn�t work the whole month so they wouldn�t pay him. He had 2 days left on his tourist visa. He told them he was going to the police and he said they laughed at him and told him he would be arrested for working illegal at their school. He had no choice to leave China and lost much money in salary and plane tickets. He was screwed royally by Delter.

Delter frequently makes teachers work overtime and seldom pays the contracted overtime making up excuses like � Well last week you worked less than the contract house, so this week you work more, it�s even�, even though the contract says a certain amount of hours per week. They outright lie about everything and anything.

The Delter location I worked at went though about 8 teachers in one year. ALL (except the one man) quit. Most did runners, none gave notice.

One local guy came to Delter to do some part time work. He was told he would get 150 rmb an hour/class. After a month he went to get his pay. It was shorted by half the promised amount. He worked 24 hours a week. They told him that the salary was correct � he was paid 150rmb for 2 periods, they considered that one class. He had the agreement in writing BUT they decided to change it and he had no recourse. For the rest of us 2 periods was two hours. But they openly cheated him.

I will tell you that complaints to the host school and complaints to Delter corporate go unanswered. Many teachers sought help from the host school or called the Delter corporate office. The responses were simply (from the host school) you need to talk to Delter directly, we have no control. From Delter corporate was always a lame response that the local Delter locations were franchisees and we had to sort the problems out with them.

I can tell you that I did not do any research before I accepted the job at Delter. Had I, I would have stayed away. I hope anyone out there considering a job at Delter heeds these warnings. I will tell you that I, like EVERY OTHER TEACHER there, was cheated out of money and worked long hours and got cheated out of promised overtime. They have an excuse for everything but the truth is they cheat everyone � their foreign teachers, their Chinese staff, the host school, and the parents of the students. Delter cheats and lies to everyone.

I will tell you that I bear no malice in my writings. This post is not a fallacy and not a payback in any way. I learned much from this experience in China and this job at Delter. First China seems to have zero standards for what seems to pass as education � it�s only about money, nothing else. I will NEVER work in China again. As for Delter, it is the absolute WORST �school� in China. If someone every goes to Delter to work then they deserve whatever they get. Delter is the bottom of the bottom of companies in China �they are worse than those companies that sold tainted baby milk.

There are many more things I could say about Delter, but I hope you got the gist. I have simply stated what I encountered, from teachers knocking on my door at night wishing me luck and heading to a better place, to students telling me that in the last two years they had 9 different teachers teach them the same class � saying that every year all the teachers quit � none every stayed more than a few months, and even the Chinese staff turns over rapidly.

Delter is the worst school. It is not from Canada as they promote themselves, and has no physical campuses as they show on their website.

No matter how desperate a person is, Delter is far below your desperation. There is nothing good that can be said of Delter or the people that run it.

Peace out.

If you have questions feel free to pm me. I left out the names of the people who ran the school just to keep from making it sound vindictive or like a personal attack. And I met several other teachers who worked at Delter in my travels around China � ALL had similar horror stories and they worked at other locations.

I will post more later as I record more of my bad experiences at Delter

[Lobster]

It's too bad you didn't do your research, or you would have seen multiple posts similar to yours. Now there is yet another warning about this outfit. This has been going on for years, but there will always be more people who don't check up on a company, and I expect to see more complaints about them in the future. I sorry about your horrible experiences. I have no doubt that what you say is true judging from my limited contact with one f their managers.

RED

[7969]

Well Delter may be bad - never dealt with them so I can't say myself - but others have reported their experiences on the net which might have benefited you beforehand. And let's not be hyperbolic about your experience. Unless some teachers were killed on the Delter premises due to teaching activities they're not worse than the company that sold tainted baby milk. At least six kids died and hundreds more were made ill because of that scandal.

[kev7161]

[7969]

[peewee1979]

My fault. I did research AFTER I got there and realized it was a hell hole. I also met other teachers who has worked there and quit after only a few months and realized that the cheating and lying and teacher abuse had been going on for a long time as these teachers told me the same stories about Delter that I was experiencing now.

The other teachers all had the same stories - lied to and cheated out of salary.

Funny thing was, I met teachers who worked in totally different Delter locations and they had the SAME STORIES. So the scamming by Delter of teachers was not a localized or isolated issue.

[peewee1979]

is there anyone else on these boards who worked at Delter? ( I know it is an embarrassment to admit it) but I would really like to know if others can share their horror stories as well.

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

I have a friend who did; I will encourage him to post and share something.

No promises though.

His stories were enough to make me shed a tear for him.

[igorG]

[peewee1979]

Today I opened my email. There is an email from Delter that says:

"Hello we are desperately in need of teachers for the coming semester. Would you please consider working for us another year".

Can you believe these people!?!?!?!?

Treat all their teachers like crap, outright rip them off and abuse them, and then ask for us to return for another year of torture?

Do they really have no clue what-so-ever about their behaviors ?

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

No they don't care about anything save for their bottom line.

Caution appreciated.

[brsmith15]

Delter/Telfort began in the late 1990s as a rather fun and interesting place to be. I joined their SH operation in 1999 and although the pay was terrible, management seemed to care and lived up to promises. I was made DOS of the school and then watched as Chinese management was put in charge of all schools and the decline began. The woman in SH stole the place blind, lied to everyone, and peed everyone off. A few of us actually considered "putting a lean on her" to use an old Boston phrase.

Student quality went into the pits, teachers quit (Me, too), the physical plant began looking like a slum. New teachers needed only two qualifications: to hear thunder and see lightning. In one case I actually observed, an 18 year-old kid with no education became a teacher along with his mother. They slept in the same small apt!!

Then Bing Liang sold the whole package and the new owners made him and his western cronies look like benefactors.

Being a business person by background, what I can't fathom is how the place keeps going. You'd think the word would get around, but since the staff has taken lying to an art form, I suppose there are enough gullible parents, students and backpackers to keep it alive.

NO ONE. Repeat, NO ONE should ever have anything to do with this joint. As the guard at the door of the Emerald City said to Dorothy and her 3 companions: "Not no how, no where."

[askiptochina]

How do they discipline teachers?

I would just go in and play some mp3's, treat it more like a social gathering. Work relative to the school's needs. If the school is paying you a lot and treating you well, then you ought to put more effort into teaching good lessons. If they are outright stealing from you and not treating you well, is there less you can do and use the same energy you would have used to earn money elsewhere?

I can understand the frustration, so I would dish it back on to them. If they do any disciplining then they will get sick and tired of teachers continually doing this. Somehow we are letting them win by simply quitting and leaving. That isn't the solution.

[Scott 1955]

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[peewee1979]