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Miles Smiles
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| If one has ever seen a phony degree that bears the name of a real school and compared it to the real thing from the very same school, one would see a BIG difference. |
There may be a big difference or there may be no difference - it depends on the skill of the forger. |
Of all people, I should have guessed you'd know. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Miles Smiles wrote: |
| 7969 wrote: |
| Miles Smiles wrote: |
| If one has ever seen a phony degree that bears the name of a real school and compared it to the real thing from the very same school, one would see a BIG difference. |
There may be a big difference or there may be no difference - it depends on the skill of the forger. |
Of all people, I should have guessed you'd know. |
Yeah. I do know. Which is why I spoke up on the topic.
Phony degrees catch up to buyers
Phony degree scam exposed
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| His work is top-notch. His prices are higher than those charged by diploma mills advertising on the Internet because his fakes are of superior quality, for real universities, printed on thick, watermarked paper, and stamped with university seals. |
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| "My quality is the best. You can't even distinguish. The paper, its weight, quality, pattern, colour, fonts, layout, logo design, stamp, seal are the same as the real thing." |
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| Shown the bogus degree and transcripts, York University Registrar Joanne Duklas was both impressed by the quality of the forgeries and outraged that anyone, especially a former student, would undertake such "nefarious" work. |
Visit Khao San Rd in Bangkok sometime. Some of the fake degrees sold by vendors there are also indistinguishable from the real thing. They're that good. |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond
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Remember that a "real" degree is also fake in a sense when it implies that the graduate has learnt knowledge and skills that can help the institution he's applying to, prosper, when in fact said person has learnt hardly anything even while keeping a classroom seat warm for three or four years.
I keep reminding my students of that fact.
Sorry for going off topic a bit.
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snacksturbo
Joined: 01 Jan 2011
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| The copy of my degree is a micro-fish copy supplied by my university. I have never had to show or produce an original. For all purposes, this is an original. I also have my transcripts, if they need them, but I have never been asked to supply anything but the copy. |
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tatsuo1
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: re: showing vs. giving |
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If an employer needs to SEE the original certificate, that could be SHOWN during the webcam interview.
There is no way I would ever GIVE a teaching certificate to an employer. It's just not done if the employer is legitimate. |
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mitchm
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Well, this thread has taken on a life of its own.
I'm going to take my original degrees with me because, even before reaching China, I've discovered that it's best just to not ask questions and do what the HR person tells me.
I don't think anyone will actually be taking the degrees from me at any point, I will just have to show them. Still, it makes much more sense to provide official transcripts, which have the official seal of the school on the envelope (and it breaks if the envelope has been tampered with) rather than a degree which could be more easily faked.
In terms of "legitimacy" in my mind the official transcripts > a diploma clearly designed to be shown off in a frame). But again, whatever the HR person wants, no big deal. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I've discovered that it's best just to not ask questions and do what the HR person tells me. |
Risky, but that's your call.
This is China, where the rules are openly flaunted and corruption is a way of life.
Don't be surprised to see you having your documents held for an extended period of time. Some schools will hold onto passports and other documents to prevent teachers from leaving or keep you at a school for longer.
Of course they say it takes 4-8 weeks or more to process the visa (blatant lie) then they drag it on and on for months.
Some have even used your personal information to import cars, avoid taxes, make on-line purchases, and the list is endless.
Your documents belong to you; if you hand them over to others, you are opening yourself to abuse.
Please do not say you were not warned.
Good luck. |
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JohnnyTrippia
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Well, this thread has taken on a life of its own.
I'm going to take my original degrees with me because, even before reaching China, I've discovered that it's best just to not ask questions and do what the HR person tells me.
I don't think anyone will actually be taking the degrees from me at any point, I will just have to show them. Still, it makes much more sense to provide official transcripts, which have the official seal of the school on the envelope (and it breaks if the envelope has been tampered with) rather than a degree which could be more easily faked.
In terms of "legitimacy" in my mind the official transcripts > a diploma clearly designed to be shown off in a frame). But again, whatever the HR person wants, no big deal. |
Glad to hear it. If I was going into China for the first time again cold, I would bring a couple of books written on the red state for a taste of what's to come. To be fair, I wouldn't have come if I'd read those books.
Having your original degree, some extra, money, an open-ended return ticket, or an open-ended plan B ticket, and some or lots of lucky charms would be the thing to bring. The smartest thing I did in China was meticulously planning my exit strategy, and conserving enough money to get out, together with some luck. This was also the stupidest thing I did however, as it put considerable additional stress on my me during my free time which in hindsight (wish I had it prior) had health consequences. |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 21 Oct 2010
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Location: Moving up the food chain!
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does the government require all of your original degrees when you apply for your papers within 30 days of arrival (z visa procedure)?
if i just bring the original of my masters and a notarized copy of my undergrad, wouldn't that be safe enough? |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:48 am Post subject: |
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just produce the masters degree, that'll be fine to satisfy anyone who needs to see it.
The Z visa is history once you enter the country. The next step is the residence permit procedure. |
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MisterButtkins
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Kind of related to this, I have recently changed jobs and had a few minor issues getting the paperwork with my employer. Nothing serious, but I guess worth noting.
1)Boss tells me that I need to bring original copies of degree certs. Me: I don't have them in China. I can't get them. Boss: That's fine, we'll just use the scans.
2)Boss tells me that I need to get a new health inspection. Me: How about I use the old one? Boss: Ok.
3)Boss tells me that I need to wake up early to go get new photos taken for the paperwork. But the guy at the photo shop was busy. Boss then tells me that she can just pull the photos off my old health inspection. No photos needed.
This was all quite annoying. |
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