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tttompatz
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:30 am Post subject: Re: What doors will an MA in TESOL open? |
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| A DOS or a good ESL teacher will make more (net jingle at the end of the day) than a uni prof in ESL.. |
Really? Do you think that language institute teachers make more than unis? I don't know, in Peru, maybe since you can only work 8 months out of the year. BUt in Korea, no way, many uni profs earn double because of extra classes or vacation work, and they still get more vacation time. |
Having been there and done that... yes.
A GOOD DOS or TEFL teacher can make more jingle at the end of the month than a uni prof (MA not PhD/Ed.D) but they do work more for it.
A prof will make great pay (per class hour) and have some nice holiday time (I liked having 16 weeks of paid vacation) but the NET jingle in the jeans at the end of the month is usually less (after you factor in the entire remuneration package) than a top end teacher or a good DOS will make.
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rayman
Joined: 24 May 2003
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I'm with scintillatestar on this one.
A MA or MEd with a K-12 license will open the door to a large range of well paying jobs in international schools. Furthermore, you are less limited in the countries you can teach, whilst still earning a good living. If you have or are thinking of having children, the free education for dependents also adds another hefty incentive. To give you an idea, with one child, our package here in China comes to around US$95 000/year after tax. If we had 3 kids (which some teachers do) it would jump to around $135 000/year. That said, you can get similar packages at other top tier schools in countries normally considered less lucrative, like Indonesia.
As previously mentioned, you could always then move into teacher trainer positions. Work for an IB school and there's the option of running workshops and seminars all over the world. Not a bad gig, that you can do in addition to teaching. |
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Perilla
Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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Location: Hong Kong
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: Re: What doors will an MA in TESOL open? |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
| A DOS or a good ESL teacher will make more (net jingle at the end of the day) than a uni prof in ESL.. |
Really? Do you think that language institute teachers make more than unis? I don't know, in Peru, maybe since you can only work 8 months out of the year. BUt in Korea, no way, many uni profs earn double because of extra classes or vacation work, and they still get more vacation time. |
Having been there and done that... yes.
A GOOD DOS or TEFL teacher can make more jingle at the end of the month than a uni prof (MA not PhD/Ed.D) but they do work more for it.
A prof will make great pay (per class hour) and have some nice holiday time (I liked having 16 weeks of paid vacation) but the NET jingle in the jeans at the end of the month is usually less (after you factor in the entire remuneration package) than a top end teacher or a good DOS will make.
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Sometimes perhaps, certainly not always. Some good DOS's work for lousy private schools; ditto some good teachers. The private sector is highly variable and open to all sorts of abuses. The amount of "jingle" depends on a number of variables, such as the country concerned and who runs the school - and it's often a dirty business. Your average DOS in the UK (for example) does not make good money no matter how good he is - and nor does the teacher. In Europe the DOS may be better off in relative terms, but how well off will vary from country to country. In Asia it may well be better, but there are still plenty of buts ... |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: |
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A GOOD DOS or TEFL teacher can make more jingle at the end of the month than a uni prof (MA not PhD/Ed.D) but they do work more for it.
A prof will make great pay (per class hour) and have some nice holiday time (I liked having 16 weeks of paid vacation) but the NET jingle in the jeans at the end of the month is usually less (after you factor in the entire remuneration package) than a top end teacher or a good DOS will make. |
May be true in some places, but definitely not generalisable worldwide. It's absolutely not the case in much of Europe, where private language school teacher wages are basically rock-bottom. It's definitely not the case in Canada, where - ditto for private schools and universities are an entirely different world. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: What doors will an MA in TESOL open? |
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| Perilla wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
| A DOS or a good ESL teacher will make more (net jingle at the end of the day) than a uni prof in ESL.. |
Really? Do you think that language institute teachers make more than unis? I don't know, in Peru, maybe since you can only work 8 months out of the year. BUt in Korea, no way, many uni profs earn double because of extra classes or vacation work, and they still get more vacation time. |
Having been there and done that... yes.
A GOOD DOS or TEFL teacher can make more jingle at the end of the month than a uni prof (MA not PhD/Ed.D) but they do work more for it.
A prof will make great pay (per class hour) and have some nice holiday time (I liked having 16 weeks of paid vacation) but the NET jingle in the jeans at the end of the month is usually less (after you factor in the entire remuneration package) than a top end teacher or a good DOS will make.
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Sometimes perhaps, certainly not always. Some good DOS's work for lousy private schools; ditto some good teachers. The private sector is highly variable and open to all sorts of abuses. The amount of "jingle" depends on a number of variables, such as the country concerned and who runs the school - and it's often a dirty business. Your average DOS in the UK (for example) does not make good money no matter how good he is - and nor does the teacher. In Europe the DOS may be better off in relative terms, but how well off will vary from country to country. In Asia it may well be better, but there are still plenty of buts ... |
Maybe I lucked out?
I don't know, here at an institute you can pull in 1800 to 2200 dollars a month, sure, free housing, but working 30 hours a week, and only 2 weeks vacation. I worked for 4 weeks during my 10 weeks vacation and doubled my salary. I usually net, after deductions around 3800 dollars. Sure, no housing, but I'm also working about 10 hours less. I still think I have the better gig 
20 weeks vacation, I work 8 of those and can make an extra 8K usd, which is 4 months pay for an institute teacher.
Maybe it's different in some places, like I know it is in Peru. In Korea, I can say that uni teachers, for the most part, make a heck of a lot more. Still you've got to consider quality of life. I worked 3 jobs in Peru and made double what I did at a uni in Peru by work at institutes, but I was also working 6 days a week, 30 hours a week, killing myself doing it. |
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scintillatestar
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Location: New York, NY
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| It depends on the country. In China, that is true. In the U.S., it's not. |
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