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Menino80
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great, thanks i'll have a look |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| nothing stated was obvious |
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| if you don't who said what go through the threads and look it up |
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| if I haven't been on a Korean work visa...............I could get rejected by the Chinese embassy in Seoul? |
You said it, you were being absurd, and you are being even more absurd for not recognizing it. There is no requirement to have a work visa in another country before you can work in a particular country. And that part is the obvious part. |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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This is not absurd. People routinely get rejected for Chinese L visas in Korea depending on their Korean work status. Then this:
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i've read (not experienced) that thailand and
vietnam will only issue a z-visa if you have a long-term work or study
visa in that country. i recall reading something similar recently about
korea. |
So go ahead, professor. Read these sentences and tell me what YOU think they mean.
I was clarifying the intent of this post. For you to come and state "Who said this?" just shows that you have no interest in actually going through the post and trying to establish how words have meanings and instead just sound like an authority. Which is pretty pathetic given the circumstances. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| People routinely get rejected for Chinese L visas in Korea depending on their Korean work status. |
That is also absurd. It may be true L visa seekers are getting rejected, but I have only read online about Z visa rejections. With L visas, it is a waiting game.
Your work status in another country shouldn't be a factor for 2 reasons:
1. It makes no sense at all to enforce a rule based on your status in another country, unless it is proven that there is a significant criminal act on the person's part to make them a threat to the country they want to get a new visa for.
2. Even if a country upheld this absurd rule, a person could simply hand in their ARC and cancel their working status altogether. You can have your status changed to a tourist visa with limited time, and in this case you have no work status. So, both ends, either the Chinese Embassy or you can get this resolved rather easily so you can get an L visa within 4 days of applying.
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| So go ahead, professor. Read these sentences and tell me what YOU think they mean. |
That has to do with new people to China who don't have a record of visiting China stamped in their passport within the past 2 years. It again doesn't prevent a person from entering China on an L visa, getting their documents they need for a Z visa, and then leaving the country to get the Z visa. I have yet to see someone state they could not do this and the reasons why.
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| just shows that you have no interest in actually going through the post and trying to establish how words have meanings and instead just sound like an authority. |
No, that is how you are sounding. I have already posted in other threads sources which have been updated within the past month which outline how a person can get a Z visa in China. If you refuse to research, do your homework, and accept those as plausible steps, locking yourself in a cage of impossibilities and paranoia you won't be able to get a Z visa, then that is your own choice and ignorance in the matter.
I am simply telling people it is possible so they aren't misled by your lack of awareness.
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Menino80
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:29 am Post subject: |
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You obviously have selective reading skills:
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i've read (not experienced) that thailand and
vietnam will only issue a z-visa if you have a long-term work or study
visa in that country. i recall reading something similar recently about
korea.
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I could care less what your though experiments have led you to conclude what "should" be. People get rejected for Chinese L visas in Korea because of their Korean work status.
Maybe you're in the habit of seeing a response and then checking it against all previous threads, addenda and contradictions, but I'm not. That's why I followed up with a question to clarify. This is what was written, and it clearly suggests that getting rejected for a Z visa is possible, which is a common occurrence with L visas as well. Period. End of story, no matter what petty, officious message board 'authorities' like yourself claim. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:28 am Post subject: |
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okay, boys and girls, how 'bout we stop pissing on each other.
mmm-kay?
whether it makes sense or not ain't for us to decide. that's a decision
made by the chinese foreign ministry (or perhaps by the local
embassy/consulate chief).
it's a fact that some people have been turned down for z-visas when
applying outside their home countries. this appears to be because
they are on tourist visas in a third country. the embassy seems to
allow those on long-term (work or study) visas in that third country
to apply for z-visas to enter china. so having a residence permit in
that third country means something after all.
from forum postings this applies to korea, vietnam and thailand.
make sense now? you're not being denied because you HAVE a work
visa in, oh...let's say, korea. 'tis because you DON'T got a work visa
(and residence permit). those WITH long-term visas ARE apparently
being granted z-visas. |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:38 am Post subject: |
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make sense now? you're not being denied because you HAVE a work
visa in, oh...let's say, korea. 'tis because you DON'T got a work visa
(and residence permit). those WITH long-term visas ARE apparently
being granted z-visas. |
i guess I should have been more precise. I would study for 2 months, secure employment, procure all necessary documents from Chinese employer, and then go to Korea to apply for the visa. I would go to Korea on the assumption that I have to leave China in order to get a new kind of visa.
With this being the hypothetical case, would it still matter that I chose Korea to go get the new visa? |
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choudoufu
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:50 am Post subject: |
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it might matter:
http://sohoholiday.com/soho/visa-information/
VISA InformationVISA Information
** As of Aug 5th 2011,Vietnamese visa processing fee and processing time are changed. Please refer to below general information regarding Vietnamese visa.
** Please note that if you don�t have Alien Registration Card or if you have ARC but with less than 6 month validity left,you can�t obtain Chinese visa.
(As of Mar 27th 2011,Chinese consulate in Pusan also stopped issuing the visa tor foreign residents in Korea with ARC less than 6 month left. )
If you have Alien Registraton Card,and it has longer than 6 month left,you can apply for the visa. .....
...China
As of July 1st,2010 you need Alien Registration Card (valid for at least next 6 months) to apply for the Chinese visa
Required documents are..... |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| OK thanks, I'll just talk to some of the Korean travel agencies directly and see what they can tell me. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| You obviously have selective reading skills |
I was referring to Korea. You said, "look for work and make a trip to Seoul to get the visa switched."
And now you are quoting information about other countries. Why? If you are going to Korea, look at the rules for Korea. This is common sense. Yes, I am going to be selective when I go to a country and follow those rules. I am not going to go to Rome and follow Athens rules.
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| That's why I followed up with a question to clarify. |
You can question this forever. For every person that tells you it works, you can place doubt and ask "Are you sure?" because we are not the officials at the embassies. You need to go to the horse's mouth. I am telling you what I think should happen because that's the furthest I can go. I do not work for the government and I do not make the rules. Can you comprehend this? Subtle changes will never appear in a forum like this until it's too late. So you are better off talking to them, not us if you want absolute certainty.
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this appears to be because
they are on tourist visas in a third country. the embassy seems to
allow those on long-term (work or study) visas in that third country
to apply for z-visas to enter china. |
No, that it is because they have an ARC card (like a residence permit). If you hand it in at the airport, then you don't have any working status. It's a card you carry around, not a sticker put in your passport. After that, you have to visit China once (on a tourist visa will do) and get your documents. Then you can go back, and following the 2 year rule, you can apply for a work visa in Korea.
I haven't seen one person go to KOREA (I was referring to only Korea, because that's where my experience lies, maybe it's the same elsewhere, ask and find out) and be denied after doing what I mentioned.
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| OK thanks, I'll just talk to some of the Korean travel agencies directly and see what they can tell me. |
YES!!! Finally, that's what you are supposed to do with Korea. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| .....No, that it is because they have an ARC card (like a residence permit). If you hand it in at the airport, then you don't have any working status. It's a card you carry around, not a sticker put in your passport. After that, you have to visit China once (on a tourist visa will do) and get your documents. Then you can go back, and following the 2 year rule, you can apply for a work visa in Korea. |
how does he get an ARC on a korean tourist visa? |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| how does he get an ARC on a korean tourist visa? |
That is not what I said.
1. Either leave Korea on a visa (Z visa, L visa, F visa, whatever) issued by Chinese consulate in Seoul (takes 4 days) or get a Korean tourist visa (by this I mean a native English speaker getting a tourist visa in Korea, not a Korean getting a tourist visa. If this is about a Korean getting work in China, then forget everything I have stated in this thread). Then, this will give you more time to apply for a visa in China. You could also leave Korea, and then simply re-enter and get 90 days. Then, apply for an L visa (tourist visa for China).
2. After arriving in China as a native English speaker outlined above with an L visa (tourist visa for China), you get your documents ready, and then you leave China.
3. You apply for the Z visa in whatever country you choose to get your Z visa. I have only done it in Korea, but I see some others mentioned in this thread.
Got it now? |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:16 am Post subject: |
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i was curious, and wanted a backup plan just in case, so
contacted a korean travel agent.
they stated:
if you have a chinese tourist visa in your passport and have
been to China within 2 year, an ARC is not needed to apply
for a chinese work visa.
processing time is 2-4 days.
looks like a good option if hong kong and thailand are not
possible.
(apologies to skippy for my density.) |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Many threads and the web CLEARLY show the necessary credentials required to secure employment. |
Untrue.
Lots of ads even on this very website stating that there are jobs available for those without even a degree or experience.
Also many saying they need many years' experience and a Masters in English.
Not clear at all... |
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