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JimJam



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

English teachers must be the laziest people in the world.

I've noticed a few times on these boards people asking where the best place for money is and when told suddenly eveyone goes on a rant.

"More than 25 hours per week? My god, that's impossible!"

If you want to earn big money, you can. BUT, you will have to work. You know, like what people who aren't English teachers do.

Many of the business people I teach work 10 or more hours a day and when I first came to Moscow I started at 9am and finished at 10pm. I paid off my student loan in 3 months.

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My real bugbear, though, is the pro rate talk rife amongst teachers. Twenty to twenty-five hours a week is an absolute impossibility to sustain for a couple of months, let alone a year. Students will cancel due to holidays, sickness or other commitments. Let�s at least try and be realistic.


I never understand why people always complain about cancellations, after a few months you've filtered out the time wasters, right? I rarely have cancellations, usually 2 weeks here and there for holidays.

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Saying that, Russia has taxes like any other country, but I see no mention of that here. Health insurance is likewise a moot point so it seems.


Only Americans buy health insurance, and only idiots pay tax on their private income. Most salaries are quoted after tax (because companies often have their own tax arrangements that you might not want to ask too many questions about), and to paying tax on private incomes requires getting a special receipt printing machine or something like that.

In summary you can have lots of money or lots of free time. Not both, and since there's no beach in Moscow...
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithrn1983 wrote:


The number I gave are after tax. Twenty to twenty-five hours a week is an absolute impossibility to sustain? I easily teach upwards of 30 hours a week for 9-10 months of the year. Even during summer, I still teach 10-15 hours a week.


Quite right. I have friends who teach 40 to 50 hours a week at their peak. Can't imagine what the quality of lessons is, but how much better would regurgitated English File or Market Leader really be if repeated fewer times a week?

As for tax. Ha! Don't make us laugh. Most schools submit tax returns on just 20,000 to 30,000 rubs of salary. On that you'll be taxed at 13% or some such figure. So, that's roughly 3,000 rubles tax per month. About 65 quid. (The average fee for one private lesson.) As far as I am concerned, that makes school salaries as tax-free as privates : )
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimJam wrote:


In summary you can have lots of money or lots of free time. Not both, and since there's no beach in Moscow...


This is true of Moscow. And I suspect it is so in most places in the world too. A work ethic will pay you well. Expectations of a cushy academic uni job where you can go to seed will only lead to disappointment.

However, I beg to differ re the beach! Lots of students will refer to the sandy river banks as 'beaches'. It's a self-delusion I prefer to engage in also : )
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimJam wrote:
English teachers must be the laziest people in the world.

I've noticed a few times on these boards people asking where the best place for money is and when told suddenly eveyone goes on a rant.

"More than 25 hours per week? My god, that's impossible!"


But more often than not to teach 25 hours a week,
you'll spend time preparing (unless you're a super teacher that doesn't need prep or a lazy teacher that doesn't need prep)
time travelling to class
time grading papers, homework, exams
time in meetings

Like Sasha says, sure you could teach 30, 40 50 hours a week, but what about the quality of the lessons? How long until you get burnt out? It should be quality not quantity. Also, it helps if you work smart and not hard. Teach 20 hours a week and charge 50 an hour, rather than teach 40 hours a week and charge 10. And if you're charging 50, you'd be have good quality lessons.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

25 hours per week may very well burn out a school teacher at home, one who is teaching the kiddies. I have every sympathy for my previous teachers who had to deal with me and my classmates in our teenage years. But a one-to-one lesson with a businessman or uni student should surely rank as one of the easier teaching contexts. It doesn't require that much prep (well not when you are halfway through your second decade of experience...) and homework is modest when dealing with individuals. Meetings? Ha! A waste of time that freelancers don't have to bother with.

You are correct about working smart. But that includes not just fees, but logistics. Why travel 3 hours return when there is a similar client willing to travel to you? Block them one after the other and hey presto, you've got a total of 25 plus hours a week with minimum transport.

Seriously. 30 hours a week is nothing here. Most teachers choose to do more because it is quite well-paid. I myself once set a personal record of 60 hours. (Wouldn't recommend it, mind.) Certainly the hourly rate is far better than any freelance work I know of anywhere else in Europe. 15 EU per 60 mins is what my buddies in Germanyland quote me, and even then that's resented by their students.

Come on comrades! Work!!
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
You are correct about working smart. But that includes not just fees, but logistics. Why travel 3 hours return when there is a similar client willing to travel to you? Block them one after the other and hey presto, you've got a total of 25 plus hours a week with minimum transport.


3 hours total a day I mean. I don't know how you'd say it in English, but there's an expression in Spanish which basically means you have to work hard for a bit, cruddy jobs that no one wants, then it pays off. It has for me. I now make 4 times what I made before and have 10 times the vacation. I also work half as much.

60 hours, that's amazing! Hope you didn't have to do it for long. This summer I spent two weeks teaching 32 hours a week, doing TOEIC and conversation. I was pretty burnt out, espeically since the classes were back to back. Everyon'e different though.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's fair enough. It's good to progress up the ladder, and of course you have to 'pay your dues' as you do so. However, we were talking about burn-out and the travel-related causes of such. My total travel time is about 60 mins return to my school. Some days there are split shifts, but usually not more than 2 per week. So travelling is not really an issue for me, thus allowing me to pile on hours if I wish to. Burn-out really doesn't enter the equation, as it would assuredly for teachers tracing star-sign patterns on the metro lines and getting buses to boot, all for school-rates too!

60 hours was by freakish chance. Usually do 40 to 45 in the high season. Then I was covering a few colleague's classes and all my privates wanted lessons (I usually overbook to offset cancellations, but this time no one cancelled!) Some privates even wanted extra lessons, and there was one IELTS last-minute emergency lad, begging for help. I worked 7 days solid, but was well-rewarded. Despite schools not having any concept of overtime rates.

Did end up cancelling my Monday morning class the following week though. Couldn't be bothered. Does that count as burn-out?
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Hod



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimJam wrote:
Only Americans buy health insurance


�apart from a poster named Trebek on the General Asia forum, who just had an ECG scare and is wondering how to pay for his treatment. Having to pay for treatment after an accident or illness will obliterate any savings you might make. No health insurance is just about the most false economy imaginable.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Provided an accident or emergency doesn't befall you, a plane trip back to Blighty and National Health for a serious medical issue will nearly always be cheaper than the cost of insurance abroad, especially when calculated over several years. Not so false an economy. Americans don't have that option, owing to geography and utter lack of understanding of 'socialised medicine' at home.

Insurance is about gambling with risks and paying not to have to face them. Touch wood, some of us have managed well enough without having to take out insurance.

So to the OP, if you are planning to come to Russia, insurance may be something you want to have, maybe not. Think there's some initial visa requirement, but travel insurance will do.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from the false economy, it's top of the very bad idea league to live overseas without health insurance. I've not had a heart attack, but I can't imagine boarding a plane to Britain in that condition is a bag of laughs. As for throwing myself at the mercy of the UK NHS, no thanks.

Poor Trebek�s nationality is irrelevant. Send him a message now asking if he wished he were insured.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every sympathy to the other poster, and I wish him well. But if you are working legally, one should have insurance from your employer. Taking out private insurance, while on subsistence wages, is very often not really feasible. From my own side, I have had to go to hospital twice in about 15 years, and while it cost a pretty penny in a private hospital, I was still quids-in compared to having paid insurance for that same period. Like I said, it is a risk. My ailments weren't life-threatening. The treatment cost could have been more exorbitant. Lucky, this time.

Yet, I am reminded of Lermontov's episode in 'The Fatalist' where Russian officers play 'Russian Roulette'. Lieutenant Vulich successfully demonstrates his reason for belief in predestination by pulling the trigger of a pistol pointed at his temple and there following only a 'flash in the pan', but no bullet. It wasn't his time, he said. Sadly for him, of course, he is murdered that very night by a crazed sabre-wielding Cossack. You just can never tell...
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Provided an accident or emergency doesn't befall you, a plane trip back to Blighty and National Health for a serious medical issue will nearly always be cheaper than the cost of insurance abroad, especially when calculated over several years.
But you cannot plan for a major ailment or an accident, especially an accident that would leave you unable to travel back home.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
Poor Trebek�s nationality is irrelevant. Send him a message now asking if he wished he were insured.


Actually, in his case, it was relevant.

He is on-his-way TO begin teaching the Orient "in a few days".

His location is listed as still being in the US (but may be out of date) so perhaps he is one of the 50 million uninsured Americans trying to find somewhere that will cover and care for him rather than an unfortunate EFLer who was stranded abroad by it.

Back to the topic at hand, yes, having some health coverage (or having the assets to cover it as the case may be) would be considered a good thing but another thing to remember is that in many countries:

i) health costs are NOT what they are in the states
ii) health insurance is NOT always an (affordable) option
iii) health care can vary widely from 5* to donkey barn (country dependent).

In the Philippines it cost me p50 (us$1) to see the local doctor and about p200 ($4) for the meds and treatment. A stay in the local hospital in our town was $50 per day (inpatient).

In Thailand a visit to the doctor at a local private hospital (not a government one) costs me about b200 ($6) and US$100 for a short stay (2-days inpatient, private room, no surgury).

In Korea, surgery and a week in hospital for recovery cost US$1000 and the birth of our daughter ($550 - again, private room and 5* care).

In ALL cases the treatment was up to western standards and although the facilities didn't always look the best (the hospital room in the Phils didn't have cable-TV or a fridge) they were OK.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Sashadroogie wrote:
Provided an accident or emergency doesn't befall you, a plane trip back to Blighty and National Health for a serious medical issue will nearly always be cheaper than the cost of insurance abroad, especially when calculated over several years.
But you cannot plan for a major ailment or an accident, especially an accident that would leave you unable to travel back home.


Thank you for that. You know it never crossed my mind before until you said it. Not once. Right. I'll be off to an insurance company this minute. I'll even get them to insure me against accidents like earthquakes and nuclear fallout. Because even though the probabilities are very low, things like that DO happen, and if they did we'd all be in a mess without a policy.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie posted
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I'll even get them to insure me against accidents like earthquakes and nuclear fallout.


Uh, you do realize that Glenski doesn't live anywhere near Fukushima, don't you? In addition, the actual radiation levels in both Moscow and London are both higher than in Tokyo as well, but no one is recommending that residents evacuate either of those places yet.

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Provided an accident or emergency doesn't befall you, a plane trip back to Blighty and National Health for a serious medical issue will nearly always be cheaper than the cost of insurance abroad, especially when calculated over several years.



Well, I don't know what to tell you. Of course you can always hope for the best, but recommending people go bare (with no medical insurance coverage) sounds like a recipe for disaster in many cases. By the way, using your same logic, do you drive with no insurance now also?


But since the OP's question has little or no bearing on this issue, perhaps we can put it aside at the moment.


Getting back on topic, I notice you're talking about your earning potential in Moscow, not a newcomer's.

I think it is similar in most of Japan; if you have been here a while and have made connections, you're very likely to be making good money, even in the current economic downturn. For newcomers it will take a while, and they would have similar set up costs (on par with moving to Russia) after moving here.


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