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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, eye rolls and claims of solecism notwithstanding, "could care less" is an established American form rooted in sarcastic intent. Here's an excellent writeup:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htm

In the U.S., I'm sure the "could" form is at least 10 times as popular as the "couldn't."
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
Sorry, eye rolls and claims of solecism notwithstanding, "could care less" is an established American form rooted in sarcastic intent. Here's an excellent writeup:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htm

In the U.S., I'm sure the "could" form is at least 10 times as popular as the "couldn't."


A quote from the aforementioned write up:

Quote:
And because it is hard to be sarcastic in writing, it loses its force when put on paper and just ends up looking stupid.


Agreed!
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, but the author is British, writing about English "from a British perspective." It looks stupid to people who are used to "couldn't care less."
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
Sorry, eye rolls and claims of solecism notwithstanding, "could care less" is an established American form rooted in sarcastic intent. Here's an excellent writeup:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htm

In the U.S., I'm sure the "could" form is at least 10 times as popular as the "couldn't."


Cool
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
In the U.S., I'm sure the "could" form is at least 10 times as popular as the "couldn't."
That doesn't make it correct English.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's simply nitpicking Smile
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I think it's simply nitpicking Smile


So you could care less? Or you couldn't? Very Happy
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Zero



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Zero wrote:
In the U.S., I'm sure the "could" form is at least 10 times as popular as the "couldn't."
That doesn't make it correct English.


It very much does. Language changes by majority vote. That is, when enough people start saying it, it becomes the accepted and therefore the correct form. This is true all-around, but particularly so with idioms. Otherwise, what do you take as your authority for linguistic "correctness"? Some forgotten grammar book sitting on a dusty shelf? Why aren't you using "thee" and "thou"?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulgogiboy wrote:
naturegirl321 wrote:
I think it's simply nitpicking Smile


So you could care less? Or you couldn't? Very Happy


MM, how about, "I simply don't care" Smile
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