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Finishing Masters - where to go next?
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reddevil79



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:19 pm    Post subject: Finishing Masters - where to go next? Reply with quote

So, I�m coming up to the end of my Masters and starting to think about employment opportunities for late fall 2011/early 2012. I already have a couple of firm job leads, but as this next move will be an important one, I want to cover all bases and am interested in suggestions and ideas other forum members may have for someone with my profile.

Experience and qualifications:

- 32 year-old British male, fluent in French and Spanish
- MA in Applied Linguistics & ELT
- PGCE
- TEFL Certificate
- Degree
- Over five years teaching experience in Mexico and Europe, which included three years as a tenured university professor
- Experience of managing teams/projects, was assistant director, curriculum design & course coordinator, teacher training

What I�m looking for:

- Ideally a university setting with the benefits that this brings, but not necessarily a high salary, job profile is more important to me
- Very strong preference for Latin America, but would consider other locations (not East Asia)
- Would consider teacher training positions
- NOT interested in private language schools or international high schools.


I have contacted a few forum members who have provided some ideas, but I am open to suggestions, no matter how random. Wink Might be an interesting thread too for others with similar profile.
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sisyphus



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in a similar position. Problem is Uni positions in Europe are poorly paid. South America I don't know. ME as you said you don't like, but they are better paid. I was trying to find Job agencies or sources of positions for DOS/Director/ etc positions but can't find any. Uk is an option but Unis in the UK require Phds. What is South/Central America like for MA graduates? Is it mostly Uni work? Rolling Eyes
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reddevil79



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would consider the ME, but not really looking at the Far East (Japan, South Korea, etc.). It is possible for MA holders to find work in universities around Latin America, but very few advertise externally, certainly when compared to other regions. You really have to be there on the ground knocking on doors, handing out your CV and making contacts. I think this dissuades many, as flying half way round without the promise of a job is not for everyone. Were you looking at anywhere in particular?
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sisyphus



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in Central Europe, but am considering a move and fancy South/Central America. Anywhere that there arent Man Utd fans (only joking!). My brother is a big Man U fan!. Im not sure I would consider anywhere except Saudi and South Korea as lifestyle is important and I have a family. Problem with ME is that apparently they often say 2 years post MA experience which is nonsense if you have been teaching for 15 years!
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to Chicarito there are a lot of Man U fans in Mexico!

Reddevil, have you looked at Turkey? Not that I don't think you should come back to Mexico.

And just out of curiousity--why are you not interested in the far east? I enjoyed Japan much more than I thought I would and I felt like South Korea had almost a Latin American vibe going in parts.
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you seen this post?

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=91285
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sisyphus wrote:
I'm in a similar position. Problem is Uni positions in Europe are poorly paid. South America I don't know. ME as you said you don't like, but they are better paid. I was trying to find Job agencies or sources of positions for DOS/Director/ etc positions but can't find any. Uk is an option but Unis in the UK require Phds. What is South/Central America like for MA graduates? Is it mostly Uni work? Rolling Eyes


Latin America is similar. Uni jobs don't pay what they do in the ME or even Asia. I can speak for Peru and with an MA, you could get a job at a uni, make about $800 a month for only 8 months. You'd have to have your own visa for the majority of the jobs.

Shame you're not interested in intl schools, you'd probably easily get one. Not that I blame you, I much prefer the university "kids" than the intl school ones.

You were a tenured uni prof before? What made you leave? I'm sure that would greatly help you with your job search.

For teacher training, you might want to check out SIT.

For latin America, good thing that salary isn't that important Smile, have you checked the chronicle and higheredjobs? Mexico seems to be pretty popular with teachers, they finally got an off topic forum, so that shows how many teachers are there. Maybe try PMing some of the people in Mexico?
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reddevil79



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ, I did see that post when it went up, very interesting. Are you still paid by the hour if you decide to stay on permanently? I had lengthy discussions with a university in Loja a few years back and was very tempted, seemed a nice position, but don�t see them much on job boards these days.

Mother F, you won�t be surprised to know that Mexico (and somewhere in particular) is my preferred destination; I guess I wanted to dip my toes in the water a little. I have looked at a few positions in Turkey, but it doesn�t really appeal to me, not sure why. Same goes for the Far East, I have a cousin who has taught in Tokyo for over ten years and has told me a lot about the scene there. Malaysia, on the other hand, I would be very interested in as I loved it there, but limited opportunities so it seems with English an official language.

Yep, I�ve closed the doors on international schools I think, even though there are a number of good opportunities out there. I left naturegirl321 because I wanted to do a Masters, plain and simple. I knew tuition fees were going to increase, I had no ties to speak of, and it was a good time for me to do it. Thanks for the SIT recommendation, I�ll check it out Wink
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the University work here is hourly, and will rarely lead to a visa, but I don't know for sure what the situation would be in Guayaquil. It would be worth contacting just_a_mirage to ask, she is very well known/respected here and I am sure she'd be able to fill you in on all those details.

If you were looking to make a permanent move it's pretty easy to get your own investment visa, you have to 'invest' $25,000 but this can be invested in property. In other words, if you buy your own apartment / house you can get an investment visa, which also allows you to work.

It's pretty easy to get Uni work here if you have higher degrees, but you usually have to be here and go and speak to the departments in person. It's nice work, and relatively well paid (relative to the cost of living here that is). The catch is being able to get enough hours so they add up to a year round wage.
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reddevil79



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there many foreigners working in Ecuador with a Masters then? I guess I was spoiled in my last position: it was full-time, year round wage and they supported your visa application. To be honest, I'd be looking for something similar, though not easy to come by in Latin America I know. Ecuador does seem interesting though...
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There don't seem to be many people with higher degrees at all. However, the laws have changed here now, and most if not all tenured lecturers will have to get masters and eventually PhDs. If you sort your own visa out you will be able to find work, possibly even something permanent and full time. But the work visa laws are becoming increasingly difficult (to get a work visa teaching English now your first degree has to be in English, regardless of the subjects of any higher degrees).

It's also become very expensive for employers to apply for work visas. Then there are the costs (in both financial and administration terms) of the visas themselves. The better universities can take their pick from locals who are native level speakers and have studied for higher degrees in English speaking countries, or foreigners who have married Ecuadorians, or otherwise got their own visa. There just isn't the need or the demand for them to have to bother dealing with visa hassles.

If you had a PhD you would be in a much stronger position, as they need a lot more PhDs to supervise all these new masters, and later the PhDs, which current lecturers will have to have. But for most places a masters alone is unlikely to be enough for them to start jumping through the required hoops to get you a visa.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
If you were looking to make a permanent move it's pretty easy to get your own investment visa, you have to 'invest' $25,000 but this can be invested in property. In other words, if you buy your own apartment / house you can get an investment visa, which also allows you to work.


That sounds pretty easy then. No paperwork or business plan if you just buy an apartment? You're free and clear to work?
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
HLJHLJ wrote:
If you were looking to make a permanent move it's pretty easy to get your own investment visa, you have to 'invest' $25,000 but this can be invested in property. In other words, if you buy your own apartment / house you can get an investment visa, which also allows you to work.


That sounds pretty easy then. No paperwork or business plan if you just buy an apartment? You're free and clear to work?


It's "easy" if you are lucky enough to have an extra $25,000 sitting around in a bank account Rolling Eyes .
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
HLJHLJ wrote:
If you were looking to make a permanent move it's pretty easy to get your own investment visa, you have to 'invest' $25,000 but this can be invested in property. In other words, if you buy your own apartment / house you can get an investment visa, which also allows you to work.


That sounds pretty easy then. No paperwork or business plan if you just buy an apartment? You're free and clear to work?


There is paperwork, it's not automatic so you have to actually apply for it, but as I understand it, as long as you've met the criteria it's guaranteed. It's an extra $500 or so per dependent as well. The main thing that catches people out is that it is based on the official/taxable value of the property not what you actually pay for it. As people want to keep their taxes down they will try to avoid declaring the true value of a property. It's not a massive issue, just something that can trip you up if you aren't aware of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isla Guapa wrote:

It's "easy" if you are lucky enough to have an extra $25,000 sitting around in a bank account Rolling Eyes .


Well yes of course, after all having savings is just a matter of 'luck'. Rolling Eyes

If that's beyond your means, there is a retirement visa option as well.
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