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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Because a lot of them are crap? They don't tell you all the facts up front? No Z visa? 30-40 hours per week? yeah plenty of reasons to not accept the 10,000+RMB a month jobs advertised on this website. |
Here we go again. 
I just went over about a half-dozen jobs offering:
Z Visa
10k-12k+ a month
As for the hours... absolutely. If you want to work a little, you earn a little. Fair enough. If you have a family, however, money IS important.
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| Many of your theories about the job market in China have already been debunked on another one of your threads: |
You walked away from that discussion so nothing was 'debunked' at all.
Please stop siding with the schools and recruiters and side with the teachers for a change. We all want a higher wage. Stop trying to make us work for virtually nothing while making the boss filthy rich. |
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icedout921
Joined: 13 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:14 am Post subject: |
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I definitely understand the work a little, get paid a little. I am not expecting to work a little and get paid a lot.
I personally just get worried when I hear the stories of what goes on at the big chain schools. I don;t want to bash them since I have never worked at any but the stories make me weary of those schools.
I also find it weird that some want you to work 35-40 hrs and pay around 5.000 rmb while most people on here talk about 10k rmb jobs. That is all I'm not naive and I am not expecting to make a ton of money for a little bit of work. My reason for making this thread was to find out from expats in china what a good salary would be.
At this point in my life I would take less to work at a job I enjoy and feel comfortable at. I am moving to China for many reasons, saving money is one but it is not the most important reason for me. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| Miajiayou wrote: |
High school and middle school teachers with nice homes (3rd homes!) and nice cars are the first clue.
Yes. All middle school teachers have three homes and nice cars.
Please. This isn't true anywhere in the world. |
I don't recall using the word 'all'.
But the English teachers in the town I work in make well and above even what I make.
I'll pick on one in particular whom I personally know who makes a little more than 2000RMB as a base salary for playing Plants Vs. Zombies on her phone during class while she makes the kids write and write the same thing for an entire hour and has her students pay her 40 yuan an hour after school to actually teach them the content of the lesson.
(40X300)2 = 24,000RMB A WEEK!
Some of this will go to the headmaster to keep him from complaining about her laziness in the classroom and keep a good relationship with him.
Let me explain this so your eyes can digest this:
300 hundred students pay her 40 yuan a class, two times a week. This earns her 24000RMB a week. This is over 100,000RMB a month.
And this lady in her late 30's is not even a decent teacher. Her father bought the job for her (money in the pocket of the headmaster) for several hundred thousand RMB. But now hired, she refuses to teach during class time and the kids have no chance to pass or do well without her teaching the content.
If you do not know the Chinese education system and how things work, please do not poo-poo my comments as if they are a bunch of lies.
When you speak fluent Chinese and have Chinese friends who speak no English and are parents of your students, comment away.
This in a nutshell is how things work here. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| icedout921 wrote: |
I also find it weird that some want you to work 35-40 hrs and pay around 5.000 rmb while most people on here talk about 10k rmb jobs. That is all I'm not naive and I am not expecting to make a ton of money for a little bit of work. |
I wish nothing but the best for you, I really do. But the above is what I fear most. You get to a school making 5000 a month working 12-18 hr.s a week BUT they slowly add more and more hours until you are working for 5000 a month working 30-35 hrs. a week.
Happened to me. Once, then I learned from it and negotiated an hourly rate. More work? More pay please, boss!
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| At this point in my life I would take less to work at a job I enjoy and feel comfortable at. I am moving to China for many reasons, saving money is one but it is not the most important reason for me. |
You won't save money at 5k a month unless you stay at home and eat rice and noodles or let other people take you out for dinners.
If you go out for breakfast and go cheap (8-10 yuan) then lunch (15-20?) and dinner (20-25?) that's around 50 yuan a day. X10 is 500. X30 is over 1,500. That's 4500-1500=3000RMB.
33% of your monthly income on food. Basic questionable food cooked with Chinese tap water or recycled cooking oil.
You can eat utter crap if you want and cut that in half. You can double your food bill and eat healthily. But that will leave you with 1500 a month.
Good luck, I am not trying to scare you off, only encouraging you to look for higher paying jobs (which exist!)
Remember: recruiters make more money by keeping your salary low. |
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icedout921
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| No thanks a lot I appreciate all of your advice. I just wasn't sure if it was my lack of experience was the reason for the rates I have been offered. I will keep searching for a good job. Definitely not easy when everyone is a recruiter. |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: |
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f you go out for breakfast and go cheap (8-10 yuan) then lunch (15-20?) and dinner (20-25?) that's around 50 yuan a day. X10 is 500. X30 is over 1,500. That's 4500-1500=3000RMB.
33% of your monthly income on food. Basic questionable food cooked with Chinese tap water or recycled cooking oil.
You can eat utter crap if you want and cut that in half. You can double your food bill and eat healthily. But that will leave you with 1500 a month |
so so true |
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Miajiayou
Joined: 30 Apr 2011
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Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: |
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When you speak fluent Chinese and have Chinese friends who speak no English and are parents of your students, comment away.
That would just give me anecdotes, likely without the proper context. |
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MisterButtkins
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
If you go out for breakfast and go cheap (8-10 yuan) then lunch (15-20?) and dinner (20-25?) that's around 50 yuan a day. X10 is 500. X30 is over 1,500. That's 4500-1500=3000RMB.
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I don't know anyone who eats out three times a day, sorry. To me this is obviously bad money management. For all of you saying you can't cook for cheaper than that, pure nonsense. You can do a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast for 3-4 rmb at most. For dinner, I eat boiled chicken with vegetables and fruit. Less than 10 rmb. For lunch I eat bibimbop at the school canteen, 6 yuan for a bowl of rice, lots of veggies, and a few slices of pork, chicken, or dog. If I want a snack I eat fruit, nuts, or boiled eggs. I eat this way because it is healthy, cheap, and convenient, and it is pretty much exactly what I ate when I lived in the US and had plenty of cash.
Oh, by the way, I look like an underwear model with my shirt off. So hate away and keep wasting money on steaks, imported cheese, and butter. |
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rayman
Joined: 24 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| The package I'm on here in China is around US$95 000/year. But the salary itself is around RMB26 0000/month. I wouldn't have moved to China for anything less, as from a personal perspective, there are more attractive regions to live in for my family. This position is with an international school. So you would need K-12 certification. These type of salaries, although at the higher end for teaching, aren't uncommon. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| rayman wrote: |
| The package I'm on here in China is around US$95 000/year. But the salary itself is around RMB26 0000/month. I wouldn't have moved to China for anything less, as from a personal perspective, there are more attractive regions to live in for my family. This position is with an international school. So you would need K-12 certification. These type of salaries, although at the higher end for teaching, aren't uncommon. |
Did you mean 26.000 RMB per month? Looking at the 95000 USD a year, you are very lucky. Most teachers in any country do not make 8K USD a month. You say it is not uncommon, I would bet less than one in one hundred thousand teachers in the world make that salary. I have a feeling this is not real.
Anyway, working full time for 10,000 will make you feel like a fool. That is a decent part time wage. The truth is that if you want to make a decent wage in China you have to look around a lot or get lucky. There are places where qualifications and experience are rewarded. Besides, if you work part time for 5k and then freelance for the other 20 hours a week you can get well past 10k.
We really get to a place on these salary discussions where those with families to support come up against those without the family. With a family it is completely understandable that one would scoff at anything less than 10,000 and argue that anything and everything must be done to bring in more redbacks. But without a family to support and coming in as new teacher I see nothing wrong with 5000-7000. It is plenty to get by and save. Without my wife I would easily be putting away about 7000 of my about 10000. I do have free accommodation, all materials/equipment provided, and no out of pocket expenses besides personal things. Major expenses are only food, clothes, and the occasional large purchase of electronics. |
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rayman
Joined: 24 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you mean 26.000 RMB per month? Looking at the 95000 USD a year, you are very lucky. Most teachers in any country do not make 8K USD a month. You say it is not uncommon, I would bet less than one in one hundred thousand teachers in the world make that salary. I have a feeling this is not real. |
I meant as I stated. In my home state in Australia, a regular public school teacher with 8+ years is on US$98000/year (AUD$93524). Given the aging population, teachers on this salary would equate to about 1 in 3. Slightly more common than the 1 in 100 000 you estimate.
Here's a regular job: https://www.det.nsw.edu.au/jobs/JobApp?Command=DisplayPublic&DocumentID=11157276
To draw these teachers from their home country to teach in China, doesn't it make sense to at least offer them an equivalent package?
Just a quick glance at www.tes.co.uk shows a teaching job available in Guangzhou with the following benefits:
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Benefits:
Annual salary for a 2 year experienced teachers is 330,000RMB (�32,000 at current exchange rates), more for positions of responsibility, and up to 360,000RMB (�35,000 at current exchange rates) for a 10 year qualified teacher plus bonus - 8% of salary over contract period, paid at end of contract.
Annual flights (this benefit also covers dependents)
Medical Insurance (this benefit also covers dependents)
Furnished accommodation. All teachers at the Guangzhou campus are housed off sit in a variety of apartment blocks. Some are located in the inner city area approximately 20 minutes from the school, others are 15 minutes from the school in quieter locations
Tuition for up to two children
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When you consider that tuition for 2 children at an international school can cost upwards of USD$30 000/year, then add that to the $50 000/year salary and we haven't even mentioned housing, flights, bonus and medical. As I said, this school is not uncommon. Again, you would need to have K-12 certification.
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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Location: Suzhou, China
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Geez, I'd better be moving to Australia . . . mate. |
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rayman
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rayman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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If you fancy getting qualified as a Physics teacher, there's currently a teaching gig in China with a package of $216,000/year. That's about $18000 or RMB115000/month.
More than most ESL teachers would make in a year....
http://mycareer.com.au/search/jobs/asia-pacific/?s=777&sq=teacher |
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