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CarolinaBen



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:29 am    Post subject: Be Careful In Roppongi Reply with quote

I just wanted to write and to share my own experience. I was out with some friends in Roppongi for a night of drinking on Saturday night. At about 4am, I was approached by a girl and we seemed to be hitting it off. She kept begging me to go to a different bar with her, and I finally gave it and went. When I got to the bar with her, I can't remember much else except for a black man demanding money from me. When I woke up, all of my money in my wallet was gone. (23,000yen) Also, when I returned home and checked my bank account, I soon found out that all of my money had been taken. The police say there is little they can do because of lack of evidence.

I just wanted to take some time to warn others. Don't go drinking in Roppongi alone, and if you are in a group, stick with your group.
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dove



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so sorry about that. But how did they get money out of your bank account? Did they get hold of your PIN?
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Inflames



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: Be Careful In Roppongi Reply with quote

CarolinaBen wrote:
The police say there is little they can do because of lack of evidence.


The translation for this is that the police are too lazy to try and determine what actually happened and don't want you to file a report regarding this as it makes them look bad (more crime in their district).

If someone took out money at night, it would have to be at an ATM in a convenience store, which are full of cameras. People here trust the cops so if they went to the convenience store and asked for the security footage at that time, they'd get it ASAP. These ones are just lazy (far too typical for Japanese cops).
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Sudz



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear.

Definitely a story more common to south-east Asia (though I'm also wondering how they got access to your bank account right off the bat?)

I knew someone who was invited to a bar by a Nigerian swindler in Shinjuku (who should have known better!), only to pay a ridiculous fee (around 50000 Yen I believe!) after only having a few drinks. They justified the price by saying 'pretty lady pour drink for you'.

Anyways after getting into a verbal argument, some Yakuza came out of the back room (sounds like out of a movie), and eventually 'dragged him' (or perhaps more accurately escorted him) to an ATM machine and forced him to take an advance on his credit card.

This should be common sense, but don't accept drink offers from random people in Rompongi/Shinjuku, especially Nigerians. I'm NOT bashing Nigerians at all, but the sample that you're exposed to in Roppongi/Shinjuku generally aren't the creme of the crop!

Your story is very understandable though. It can be hard to tell at times who is after you. So you woke up at some point? Do you think you knocked out, or 'slipped something'? I'm assuming the latter.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sudz wrote:
Sorry to hear.

Definitely a story more common to south-east Asia (though I'm also wondering how they got access to your bank account right off the bat?)

I knew someone who was invited to a bar by a Nigerian swindler in Shinjuku (who should have known better!), only to pay a ridiculous fee (around 50000 Yen I believe!) after only having a few drinks. They justified the price by saying 'pretty lady pour drink for you'.

Anyways after getting into a verbal argument, some Yakuza came out of the back room (sounds like out of a movie), and eventually 'dragged him' (or perhaps more accurately escorted him) to an ATM machine and forced him to take an advance on his credit card.

This should be common sense, but don't accept drink offers from random people in Rompongi/Shinjuku, especially Nigerians. I'm NOT bashing Nigerians at all, but the sample that you're exposed to in Roppongi/Shinjuku generally aren't the creme of the crop!

Your story is very understandable though. It can be hard to tell at times who is after you. So you woke up at some point? Do you think you knocked out, or 'slipped something'? I'm assuming the latter.


Yeah, don't trust a Nigerian in Japan. You do that, and you have just decreased the % of you getting scammed by like 90%.

Hope they didn't knock out the TS, as that would be another level of seriousness of what is going on in Roppongi. Honestly, I HATE going there, it's dirty and skuzzy. It's like Atlantic City on Tokyo.
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cat mother



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading similar warnings a couple of years ago. Some embassies were even warning their citizens not to go partying in Roppongi alone and never ever accept any drink offers from anyone.
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BlackPapermoon



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

..wow, so sorry that happened to you =/
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CarolinaBen



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe me...........I have learned my lesson 100 fold
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rich45



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about this. I've only ever been on a night out in Roppongi once...and never again.

I can also echo Sudz's sentiments about Shinjuku, as a friend of mine was trapped in exactly the same way in Kabukicho. It turned out to be a very expensive night (30 or 40,000 yen for a few drinks).

It sucks now but having been scammed myself in China when I was young and naive, it is a great lesson in becoming street smart and as you have said, it surely won't happen to you again.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder how much of this is part of the vicious cycle? They scam people, so less people come, so their businesses do poorly. So they scam more people, which leads to lesspeople coming, and their businesses doing even more worse?
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simonenglish



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent tons of time in Roppongi because I learned salsa, and I was dancing, and going to parties all the time. Never had a problem like this, and I almost always went out alone..

I didn't drink though, and kept away from trouble. I heard a few stories similar to the one on this thread, but in practice in the main bars as long as you keep away from girls trying to drag you to 'another bar' you will be fine.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sudz wrote:

Definitely a story more common to south-east Asia


Maybe, but as others have mentioned this seems to happen all the time in Roppongi too- I have heard/read plenty of stories like this in the last few years and the US Embassy was advising people not to take any cards if they were going out in Roppongi. I know a bar hostess who used to work in Roppongi who told us her bar was involved in this kind of thing- it's absolutely rampant.

It does seem like they spike the drinks with something as people usually report having no idea how they got to where they woke up and more missing time than you'd expect if they just drank too much and passed out.
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Sudz



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These instances certainly do seem more common than I'd originally thought after reading these posts.

I wont pretend like I know the area well, but I did visit the area twice when I was in Japan a few years back. The first night, I ended up at some of the more upscale bars (I asked the taxi driver to take me to 'Roppongi', perhaps he took me to the outskirts or something), and originally had a fairly good impression of it. The second visit, I wound up in an area which felt more like Bangkok (a place which I'm mostly fond of). However, the place seemed overrun by Nigerian hustlers, and I almost saw a couple of fights break out (between tourists and these pricks).

I even had one guy tell me during a second 'encounter' "oh you said before that you don't go out late, why I see you again now? You lie to me!" (as if I owe him something for wanting to scam me). Instead of telling him to go &*# himself, I simply nodded my head passively, and kept walking. Probably the right choice!

I'm sure they're using GHB (more romantically known as 'the date rape drug') to knock out their victims.
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sudz wrote:
I'm sure they're using GHB (more romantically known as 'the date rape drug') to knock out their victims.
That's almost certainly what it is - colourless, odourless and the visible effects are similar to too much alcohol.

A similar thing happened to me in Fukuoka about 7 years ago. I wasn't enjoying myself so I decided to go home. I finished my drink (I'd only had four) and the next thing I knew, I woke up in the street and my wallet and mp3 player (it was an expensive model, with a hard drive, that cost about 30,000) were gone. I had 20,000 in the wallet. Fortunately, the ATMs in Fukuoka weren't 24-hours at the time.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dang mr. Monkey, that is pretty bad. Was that bar run by Nigerians by any chance?

I vote with my wallet, and I never give my business to any Roppongi bars, nor any that are run by Nigerians.


BTW, drugging people is just so dangerous. You can seriously harm someone. Or, you the victim remembers the bar, can set themselves up for revenge. They are lucky no one comes back and makes trouble. As that can be dangerous, and bad for business.
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