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naturegirl321
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 Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: A bachelors degree from China |
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For an undergrad degree you would normally be expected to obtain it in an anglophone country (sometimes an immigration requirement- as in Korea for example. Other countries like China and Thailand don't care where it was from provided the language of instruction was English and the uni is accredited).
For post grad degrees it won't matter as long as the university is accredited. |
ttompatz is right about the immigration requirements, however, sadly employer requirements might differ.
I can tell you that while it might not matter for visa issues, employers do care. I interviewed with schools in China, Korea, Taiwan, UAE; and Oman and can say that the fact that my first MA was not from an English speaking country counted against me. I constantly had to explain that everything, including the thesis, was done in English. Then answer the question WHY I choose a non English speaking country (for an MA in TEFL) over an English speaking country. And even then it didn't seem like they respected it as much as they would an MA from an English speaking country.
The uni is and was accrediated, but I decided to get another one, from an English speaking country this time, so I wouldn't have to deal witht he issues I had with the first one.
Also, in order to get to immigration first you need a job and employers are getting picker and picker. I've seen job adverts that don't accept online degree and I've also recently seen job adverts that state both your BA and MA must be from an English speaking country. All I can say is that I'm glad I did another MA. |
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fladude
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| If you go back to the US to work in business, as opposed to education, a degree from China would look a lot better than an online degree, which most people outside of education basically ignore. On the other hand, China is seen as an economic success whereas people with degrees from places like Devry or the for profit colleges are seen as rubes. |
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naturegirl321
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| If you go back to the US to work in business, as opposed to education, a degree from China would look a lot better than an online degree, which most people outside of education basically ignore. On the other hand, China is seen as an economic success whereas people with degrees from places like Devry or the for profit colleges are seen as rubes. |
That really depends on what your definition of an online degree is. If you're talking about the Univeristy of Phoenix that's one thing, but there are plenty of degrees that can be done online from legit brick and mortar institutions. technology is here to stay, we have no choice but to embrace it.
Aren't businesses eager to jump on the technology bandwagon and see that online degrees can be more practical as far as time and money go, as well as allow peopel from all over the world to share ideas? |
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chezal
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What about Universities that have international campuses? I am looking at doing a Masters in Educational Leadership and Management at The University of Nottingham, Malaysian campus. They also have a campus in China.
The masters course is a part-time course which holds the seminars either at weekends or during the holidays. Having recently completed my PGCE (Postgraduate Certificate in Education) I can't afford to take more time off and get further into debt whilst furthering my studies. Also with the nature of the masters I want to take it would be pretty difficult to put it into practice without having a job.
From looking at there website and speaking to a friend who is attending you get a lot of support from the UK campus. There is an option to do part of the course in the UK. At the end you'll have a degree/master from The University of Nottingham not some foreign uni that is accredited. I would have thought this makes a lot of difference. So will the fact that the final qualification is issued by the English University negate the fact that you studied in an oversea campus? |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| At the end you'll have a degree/master from The University of Nottingham not some foreign uni that is accredited. I would have thought this makes a lot of difference. So will the fact that the final qualification is issued by the English University negate the fact that you studied in an oversea campus? |
I believe this would be seen as entirely legit everywhere. Your degree would be from Nottingham, regardless of which of their campuses you studied on. |
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Gringo Greg
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GRE exams to qualify for a college degree? Sounds a bit iffy to me. Does this school actually offer courses for its students to take, or does it just collate courses previously taken and administer tests? What kind of reputation does it have outside the US? Just curious . . . |
Iffy or not iffy, the degree is issued by the University of the State of New York(the same one that has authority over Columbia University, heard of it?) and is accredited by the Commission on Higher Education of the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools.
You might want to educate yourself about a group called the ACE, the American Council on Education. Many universities in the US are members. They evaluate exams, tests, certificates, and other types of non-college based training and assign it a credit equivalency through their College Credit Recommendation Service. ACE makes recommendations for college credit for GRE subject exam scores in the same way that they recommend college credits for CLEP exams and AP exams. Of course you'd probably consider credit for AP exams to be iffy also, right? hahah
They used to just offer collation of courses, but now they offer their own online classes.
What kind of reputation does it have outside the US? It's a degree that says University of the State of New York on it and it's a genuine accredited college. What kind of reputation is that? Well I think it rates as good as a degree from Valley City State University or Jamestown College. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
GRE exams to qualify for a college degree? Sounds a bit iffy to me. Does this school actually offer courses for its students to take, or does it just collate courses previously taken and administer tests? What kind of reputation does it have outside the US? Just curious . . . |
You might want to educate yourself about a group called the ACE, the American Council on Education. Many universities in the US are members. They evaluate exams, tests, certificates, and other types of non-college based training and assign it a credit equivalency through their College Credit Recommendation Service. ACE makes recommendations for college credit for GRE subject exam scores in the same way that they recommend college credits for CLEP exams and AP exams. Of course you'd probably consider credit for AP exams to be iffy also, right? hahah |
You also might want to read a book by Maya Frost on how she used the GRE to get her 4 girls ahead. The GRE isn't what we, or I, often think of it, which is an exam for people who aren't that smart. It's a good way to get through uni quicker, up your chances, etc. And yep, it's up there with the CLEP, which are great, I got out of a year of college thanks to them .) |
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fladude
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| fladude wrote: |
| If you go back to the US to work in business, as opposed to education, a degree from China would look a lot better than an online degree, which most people outside of education basically ignore. On the other hand, China is seen as an economic success whereas people with degrees from places like Devry or the for profit colleges are seen as rubes. |
That really depends on what your definition of an online degree is. If you're talking about the Univeristy of Phoenix that's one thing, but there are plenty of degrees that can be done online from legit brick and mortar institutions. technology is here to stay, we have no choice but to embrace it.
Aren't businesses eager to jump on the technology bandwagon and see that online degrees can be more practical as far as time and money go, as well as allow peopel from all over the world to share ideas? |
No the US is running about 20 percent real unemployment/ underemployment. The so called high employment rate for college grads simply means that many of them are graduating and getting jobs at Wal-Mart (taking the jobs of people who usually don't have degrees). The US business community looks down on most degrees not earned from either a State University or an Ivy League College. Of course if you just want to work at Wal-Mart, then an online degree will do fine. Now for the Government... that's a different story. The Government hasn't caught on and will still count any "accredited" degree. Outside of Government though a degree from a for-profit college, much less an online degree, is a kiss of near certain death (unless you know someone of course...). Its not a matter of business not wanting to accept new technology, its more about connections and too many applicants. They know that anyone who went to school online has no connections.... the kiss of death....
If unemployment were like it was back in the 90s it wouldn't matter, but in todays market they can pick and chose who they want. There are plenty of unemployed lawyers and MBAs in America right now, and the situation just gets worse with each graduating class. |
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DougPr
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| What about an English speaking country like The Philippines where all courses are taught in English? (The University of the Philippines Diliman is rated higher than the US Naval Academy and Florida State University in worldwide rankings for example.) |
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Gringo Greg
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| What about an English speaking country like The Philippines where all courses are taught in English? (The University of the Philippines Diliman is rated higher than the US Naval Academy and Florida State University in worldwide rankings for example.) |
The Philippines is not an English speaking country, rather it is a country with a significant number of people who speak passable English. Unfortunately as the call centers so well know, typical Filipino university graduates do not exit with the skills needed to do even entry level call center work.
I'd venture a guess that in the TEFL world, a degree from the Philippines would be even more a kiss of death than a degree from Malaysia, China, Singapore or a myriad of other Asian countries. Why? Apply for a job listing a degree from the Philippines and employers will assume you are Filipino. |
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naturegirl321
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| Gringo Greg wrote: |
The Philippines is not an English speaking country, rather it is a country with a significant number of people who speak passable English. Unfortunately as the call centers so well know, typical Filipino university graduates do not exit with the skills needed to do even entry level call center work.
I'd venture a guess that in the TEFL world, a degree from the Philippines would be even more a kiss of death than a degree from Malaysia, China, Singapore or a myriad of other Asian countries. Why? Apply for a job listing a degree from the Philippines and employers will assume you are Filipino. |
I have a friend in China, she's Filipina and gets paid much less than a NS. In fairness, though her English is good, she makes basic mistakes, such as "Thanks God" instead of "Thank God" |
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Concepcion780
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Iffy or not iffy, the degree is issued by the University of the State of New York(the same one that has authority over Columbia University, heard of it?) and is accredited by the Commission on Higher Education of the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools.
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Are you talking about Empire State College? I took a class through Empire and considered getting my BA that way, they have a lot of interesting courses. I have never heard of Excelsior though.
Also, Columbia is in the state of NY, but it is not a SUNY school, and a degree from Columbia would say something like "Columbia University" not "University of the State of New York."
But I do think this is a good suggestion. Also worth mentioning for someone who is considering doing a degree online while living in another country, the distance learning programs at Empire (and several similar colleges) charge all students the same rate, so you don't pay more for being out of state. I would also recommend looking into Arizona State University. |
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