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bohsjeff



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:23 am    Post subject: Visa for non natives? Reply with quote

Hi

I am trying to find out if my partner can get a z teaching visa. She is from Russia (has all the qualifications though).

The reason is because we were previously looking at Korea but they only take natives etc.

Cheers in advance
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bohsjeff



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody?? simple yes or no would suffice!
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7969



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a maybe. No-one here can give you the (definitive) answer you want. Your wife might be able to get a Z visa at the right place at the right time, but unless you're a native speaker with the right passport and a degree it's hard to say for sure. Apply for a job and pose your question to the school admin and see what they have to say. She could be listed as a dependant on your Z visa and residence permit (however that is done) and be offered a job at at the same place where you get the visa. This is something our school did once in the past.
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big_big_bang_theory_fan



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temper, Temper, Temper.

You don't get an answer and you moan about it?

Why not use Google? Why not have your friend find the answer him/herself?

Obviously, someone who is so desperate for an answer in less than 24 hours has some issue and implies something fishy going on.

The visa rules are rather vague and yet specific/clear at the same time.

I mean, you answered your own darn question. You state this person "has all the qualification" and yet you're asking if this person can get a visa. I mean, Come On ... you clearly did some "sort of research" to know they have the qualifications and you're asking if they are qualified.

Rolling Eyes
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jayjjasper



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obviously, someone who is so desperate for an answer in less than 24 hours has some issue and implies something fishy going on.


Why, big_big_bang_theory_fan?

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The reason is because we were previously looking at Korea but they only take natives etc.





It is possible for a non native speaker of English to get a work visa in china. The trick is getting the job offer.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sure, why not? she's a native russian speaker, she can teach russian.
check with the embassy to start.

as to whether she'll get a dependent visa, as the 4-digit dude assumed
she was your wife.....maybe, but that won't allow working legally.

what does 'partner' mean?
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Mr. English



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have known non-native speakers from Africa who have gotten Z visas, so yes, it is possible. It is also much more difficult, as there are not so many schools that want to hire non-native speakers. Also, where you want to work makes a difference. In the major cities it is harder, because the schools tend to be pickier. In the smaller cities, and especially in the boonies, where they have difficulty attracting people, it is easier.
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7969



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
as to whether she'll get a dependent visa, as the 4-digit dude assumed she was your wife.....maybe, but that won't allow working legally.

That's true. The school initially hired the husband who had a teaching degree and had his wife added to the visa documentation as a dependant. Once they arrived here the wife was asked if she wanted to work for the same salary and she said yes. So one stone killed two birds. They were both native speakers of English however, from NZ as I recall.
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PandaPandemonium



Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course your wife can get a Z visa. I'm a non-native speaker and I've got it myself. The trouble is, as someone said, to find a job first.
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest OP look at the FLUs (Foreign Language Universities) of which there are several. At these, English is just one of a number of language disciplines although a major one, but demand for Russian skills would be considerable.
A Google on �Foreign Language Universities China� gets you loads of results.
Then get into the individual websites, although I note that the only FLU (Dalian) I know personally has only a phone contact.
Also note that Dalian FLU has a city campus and one an hour + away at Lushun. You would want to ensure both of you taught at the same campus.
Don't see any reason why the Russian speaking partner should be paid any less than the English teacher and the school scores as they only have to provide one apartment.
Don't expect big bucks in 'desireable' cities like Dalian, Qingdao and the like.
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blitzkrig



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach on a Z-visa in Beijing and i'm a non-native speaker of English.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is possible, for example, to be born and raised in Albania, move to Canada and get citizenship, then get a Canadian passport and use that to work.

So yes, non native English speakers can for sure work legally.
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TexasHighway



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You say she has all the qualifications but she is a non-native speaker? It seems like that would be one of the most important qualifications. With the economic woes in the West, native speakers are lining up to teach in China. Yes, non-native speakers can get ESL positions too, but often they will end up with the jobs nobody else wants. And they are usually from countries with strong historical ties to English speaking countries such as the Philllipines, India, Nigeria, and Western European countries. If a school is going to resort to a non-native ESL teacher, they might decide to settle for a native Chinese teacher. I agree with the others who suggest that perhaps she go with her strength and teach Russian. She can probably get a decent job at a good university. I would suggest getting a job nailed down for her first, and then you follow her as an ESL teacher. As long as you have the basic qualifications, you can always get a job somewhere.
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PandaPandemonium



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"If a school is going to resort to a non-native ESL teacher, they might decide to settle for a native Chinese teacher."


Not true. Schools want white people, and a white person will always get a job in China, even if not a native (my opinion). Looks play a big part here.

Not to mention that OP's wife is Russian. Does she have blond hair? That will be a plus too. Blue eyes? Even better.

C'mon people, many positions here only require that you LOOK the part. As far as you look like a foreigner it will be ok.


btw. That's why "black" teachers have troubles in finding jobs. In my opinion, they are the ones who are having a difficult time here and who have to take the jobs nobody else wants. And yet there is plenty of black teachers in China despite this problem.
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TexasHighway



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PandaPandemonium
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Schools want white people, and a white person will always get a job in China, even if not a native (my opinion). Looks play a big part here

This is completely false in my experience. Most of the universities I have worked at have strict policies about hiring only native English speakers. I have never worked for one of those "white monkey" language mills and would never want to. As far as looks playing a big part, some of the ugliest people I have ever seen are FTs in China.
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