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Poll: FTs and Respect
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What is your feeling about most FTs in China?
1. Scum of the Earth: deadbeats, on the run, mental cases and alcoholics.
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
2. Losers: just unemployable back home, know nothing about education, system dupes, backpackers
18%
 18%  [ 4 ]
3. So-so: just ordinary people doing an ordinary job, they try but it doesn't matter much
63%
 63%  [ 14 ]
4. Good: they're trying hard to make a difference, well-educated, pretty professional
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
5. Great: very professional, mostly do a great job with what they have, try to fit in
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 22

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Lobster



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Poll: FTs and Respect Reply with quote

So, what is your personal feeling about your fellow FTs? Just your general impression. Do they have your respect? Like any poll, it's not perfect, so no comments on the categories please; just vote and add your comments on FTs in China.
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petebeatstreet



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've met all of the above, in equal quantities. I would have voted for all if given the opportunity.
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7969



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In such an unregulated industry it's easy to come across all five types and I have seen them all.

At my current place of employment one FT goes from 2 to 3 and back again - and the rest I would rate as 4s. We all respect one another generally speaking but the respect for the 2/3 comes and goes depending on what he's up to at that moment in time. As for the students we all teach the same classes (with minor variations) and I know most of them (the students themselves) respect us for the effort we put into the job, again less so for the first FT listed above.
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igorG



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice party on. At least that you respect the forums Wink

Oh, i respect the FTs and their students
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:
In such an unregulated industry it's easy to come across all five types and I have seen them all.

At my current place of employment one FT goes from 2 to 3 and back again - and the rest I would rate as 4s. We all respect one another generally speaking but the respect for the 2/3 comes and goes depending on what he's up to at that moment in time. As for the students we all teach the same classes (with minor variations) and I know most of them (the students themselves) respect us for the effort we put into the job, again less so for the first FT listed above.


I was talking to some of your students, and they said they couldn't tell the difference between the 2/3 and the rest of you guys. You all look like a bunch of white monkeys to them.

Wink
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Miajiayou



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

petebeatstreet wrote:
I've met all of the above, in equal quantities. I would have voted for all if given the opportunity.


Same.
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milkweedma



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a really nasty poll based around a competitive 'winners and losers' neo-liberal critique (mentality) where a certain proportion of the population are deemed to be surplus to economic requirements.
Do it the service it deserves and ignore it.
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This poll, as nasty as it may be, is based on the comments made by forum members over the years. It is not based on a "winners vs. losers" approach, but more on a "professional vs. unprofessional" one. Certainly you are free to construct your own, less-biased version. "Neo-liberal"? Geez, I saw one of those once. It was riding on a unicorn.

RED
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Scott 1955



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm?

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7969



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
7969 wrote:
In such an unregulated industry it's easy to come across all five types and I have seen them all.

At my current place of employment one FT goes from 2 to 3 and back again - and the rest I would rate as 4s. We all respect one another generally speaking but the respect for the 2/3 comes and goes depending on what he's up to at that moment in time. As for the students we all teach the same classes (with minor variations) and I know most of them (the students themselves) respect us for the effort we put into the job, again less so for the first FT listed above.

I was talking to some of your students, and they said they couldn't tell the difference between the 2/3 and the rest of you guys. You all look like a bunch of white monkeys to them.

Wink

0, believe me when I tell you I show up sober and well-prepared. That, and if I ever wear loose-fitting shorts to class I always make sure I have underwear on before I prop my legs up on a desk to relax. The students really appreciate this extra effort.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen a lot of early 20's lately who can easily get a job back home but are very selective in their job thus prefer the laid back life.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the FTs I've known and worked with were good workers, intent upon fulfilling their contracts and being the best teachers they can be. The young sex tourists who arrive sporting backpacks and goatees wash out pretty fast.

I have worked with psychos who made life an unremitting hell for everyone around them. They, too move on.

In my own experience, there are the westerners who have "other" jobs doing some sort of engineering work or who have some sort of business that allows them to stay in China. Invariably, they take the private teaching jobs at home schools. They are part of the mix and are often the ones who bring negative attention to the actual teachers.
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igorG



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This poll.................. is not based on a "winners vs. losers" approach, but more on a "professional vs. unprofessional" one.
"Feelings" aren't exactly professional ways to assess FTs. Asking for an opinion is one thing, manipulating it is another one.

Aside feelings, i have experiences. Local employers accept varieties of FTs. The requirements fluctuate. It depends on who hires, when they hire, how many FTs are applying, and what the applicants are willing to work for.

So, FTs that aren't up to it, aren't up to it for varieties of reasons. And, local employers are pretty good with "surprises".
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so no comments on the categories please; just vote and add your comments on FTs in China.
Sounds like a traditional evaluation form Smile
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cormac



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

petebeatstreet wrote:
I've met all of the above, in equal quantities. I would have voted for all if given the opportunity.


Spot on. Ditto with that.
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not asking for an in-depth assessment or professional evaluation. I'm asking for people's feelings and opinions. If you don't like it, feel free to 'manipulate' your own poll. I already stated that this one, like any poll, has weaknesses, and asked that people refrain from making comments on the questions themselves. But there always going to be some bozo who can't get it. The idea is to provide a range from very bad to very good. Nobody has to justify their opinion here and I'm not going to justify the poll. If you don't like it, move on.

RED
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