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Here we go again: Visa Situation, July 2011
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just noel



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Posts: 168

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belgrove wrote:
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Vietnam does not care. The authorities don't care; the schools don't care.


I'm sorry, I don't buy the self-pity bit.


There is NO self pity. I was not referring to myself.

And I was not pitying anyone else. I was merely stating the way things are.

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Get a WP, get a Residence Card. Since I researched thoroughly all that I needed to know, I don't have one friend who doesn't now have all the required documentation.


I know many people that have.

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Vietnam says "Get a Work Permit and everything will fall into place", and it does.


It does NOT.

I know several people that have WPs. Some have WPs and are married to locals with children, and they have to leave every 90 days.

Also, when you switch jobs, guess what?
You're WP is no longer valid.

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What's confusing and heartless about that?


I did not say it or anything was "confusing" or "heartless."

Who told you that?
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Belgrove



Joined: 27 Sep 2011
Posts: 35
Location: Saigon

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a Work Permit then go to Nguyen Du, get the residence card papers (6000vnd, and in a very nice green folder which explains what you need to enclose) get them completed, sorted, stamped and signed.

Take them back to the office, get a ticket, wait 30 minutes, get them checked, get a piece of paper with the date to collect your brand new mysterious Temporary Residence Card then walk outside, cross the road, collect your bike, drive off and I'm sorry I can't make it any plainer.

Five days max!

What's confusing about that?

It works exactly the same in Hanoi.

If you're leaving that simple task in someone's hands then it's up to you. It just seems whenever I leave something to be done for me in someone else's hands it all goes pear shaped.


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deadlift



Joined: 08 Jun 2010
Posts: 267

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just noel wrote:


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Vietnam says "Get a Work Permit and everything will fall into place", and it does.


It does NOT.

I know several people that have WPs. Some have WPs and are married to locals with children, and they have to leave every 90 days.

Also, when you switch jobs, guess what?
You're WP is no longer valid.



Why do they have to leave every 90 days? If they have a work permit, why can't they get a residence card?
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Belgrove



Joined: 27 Sep 2011
Posts: 35
Location: Saigon

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just noel wrote:
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Also, when you switch jobs, guess what?
You're WP is no longer valid.


Wow, who would have thought that?

Well, I would for a start. One job one WP, one permission to work in a company allied to the company's request to employ you.

New job, new WP.

Four part-time jobs, four WPs.

I have outlined the WP situation in another thread and covered this clearly.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=91373
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Mattingly



Joined: 03 Jul 2008
Posts: 249

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obtaining the residence permit has been difficult and complicated for many.

Many people with work permits do not have residency cards.

4 wps for 4 part-time jobs?

How long would that take? How expensive would that be?

The entire WP issue is still a mess.
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generalgiap



Joined: 03 Sep 2011
Posts: 95

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt that a school would get a work permit for a part-time teacher. But it depends on the school and if the teacher is interested in paying for part or all of the WP and RC. Therefore, if one has 4 part-time jobs, it's highly likely that one is unqualified and can't get the WP and works for cowboy outfits. May have also burned their bridges etc etc.

In addition, I have many friends in both HCMC and Hanoi who are married to Vietnamese national and have the 5 year visa, it is not connected to the WP. They have to go to the immigration dept every 3 months pay 10 usd, finished.

So, how many teachers have 4 part-time jobs? and/or have the quals etc to obtain a WP? How many foreigners who are married to Vietnamese have to leave every 90 days? Let's deal with reality and stop the distortions.

This post is not intended to offend anyone, only to provide readers with the real situation.
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Belgrove



Joined: 27 Sep 2011
Posts: 35
Location: Saigon

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

400 000 for the WP
693 000 for the national advertising (new cost introduced in August 2011 Decree 46, article 4)
33 000 for local advertising
You should retain all your translations for re-use.
If your health check is out of date or your police check is out of date then they must be refreshed.
100 000 police check
900 000 new health check (recent price Cho Ray)

So assuming 4 jobs four WP's within six months we're talking 4 x 1126000 which gives us 4 504 000 which equates to $216 approx.

Looking at different times, some in some outside the six months, we have different permutations. But for the sake of clarity in this reply let's assume a new police check and a new health check each WP.
Our new figure would be 4 x 2126000 which gives us 8504000 which equates to approx $408.

If we have different numbers of jobs we would use a different primary multiplier so as an example if we had 14 jobs we would multiply everything by 14.

The good news is, you only need one valid Residence Card sponsored by a current employer.

I hope this helps.
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