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Thunderpick



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject: Gaming in Japan Reply with quote

I was wondering if anyone here could give me any information about gaming in Japan.
In particular the xbox360 scene. Costs, going online etc.

Thanks.
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seklarwia



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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano

PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being made by Microsoft (thus being American), the 360 is much more expensive to buy over here than in most western countries. It's also not as popular as the Japanese created PS3 which out sells the Xbox 8-1.

The 360 is also regionalised, with Japan being it's own region (J-NTSC) so not only will very few titles bought from other countries work on a Japanese 360, but next to no titles bought in Japan will have any language options, not even an English one. So unless you are quite fluent in Japanese, you won't get much enjoyment playing any story-heavy games.

The other problem will be online gaming. If you set up a Japanese Live account, not only will you be unable to get hold of certain add-ons or much of the Marketplace available in most western countries, but match making sessions will suck since many games try to match within regions; in Japan there is not a huge number of 360 players and you may find it difficult to make friends firstly because of the language barrier and secondly because Japanese players tend to be a whole lot more silent than the average loud mouth, trash-talking American Laughing

What you should do is just buy a 360 in your home country, set up a Live account over there, get yourself a Gold subscription and build up a friends list before you come then bring the console with you. NB: If you come from the UK, you will need to get hold of JP/US power supply due the halved voltage (but you have a Kinects working off a power supply) because you don't have 360 Slim, then you only need plug convertor for that because it can run off 100-240V, unlike the 360 power supply). This will give you better chances of being put with other region players in match making or you can simply join the sessions hosted by the people in your friends list... I normally get sick of screaming Taiwanese men quite quickly and end up joining sessions with US or UK friends (depending on the time of the day).

To buy contents online you will need MS Points and if you stay here for more than a year, likely a subscription renewal. Again buying them in stores here will be more expensive than back home, not to mention more difficult since you won't find them being sold in every supermarket as they are in other countries. Either link your Live account to a credit/debit card (preferably from your home country) which will allow you to pay the same prices as back home, or get friends/relatives to buy points/subscription cards and send you the codes via email.
You will have to either buy games from retailers back home and pay for shipping or from places like Play-Asia.com (which has free postage to Japan if I recall). But games here are more expensive anyway, so even after paying for shipping, you'll likely find that it costs no more than buying the game in Japan, plus you won't have so many add-on issues.
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, Id agree with all that Seklarwia, except the part about Japanese 360 games not supporting English. Many do, Heres a link with a complete list that i hope you both find useful.

http://www.gaijingamers.com/showthread.php?t=3673

However, PS3, PSP and DS are by far better consoles to own while living in Japan, as theyre all completely region free. If you buy a Japanese PS3 you will also be able to play a huge catalogue of PS1 games that can picked up for next to nothing in stores like Tsutaya.

Im an avid Halo fan and i havent experienced much lag while playing Halo Reach. I have a Japanese copy of the game but my account was created in the UK, so Im not sure how it decides which servers I play on.

Also you can buy a JP power supply on Rakuten or ebay for about 30 pounds.

Edit~almost forgot, heres a compatibility guide

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-00-3-xbox360_compatibility_guide-49-en.html

Edit2~ if all else fails you can download the full version of most games for a reasonable price, as i just did with Crysis.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:
Yep, Id agree with all that Seklarwia, except the part about Japanese 360 games not supporting English. Many do, Heres a link with a complete list that i hope you both find useful.

http://www.gaijingamers.com/showthread.php?t=3673

I stand corrected. None of the Japan games I've played had any language options. Still works out cheaper for me to get them shipped from the UK. For example, at launch the limited edition GOW3 was more than 8000yen over here (close to �70) but it only cost me a little over �50 to get it shipped from the UK and I received it only a couple of days after launch... stupid Epic wouldn't allow shipments to stores until only a few days before but it took 5 days to get here.


Reach does seem to be special in match making. I normally get matched with US players despite having a UK account and it works great. But in campaign, I sometimes get a huge amount with US friends... maybe they have crappy connections (I never host games because some of them can't join; I have a moderate NAT setting that I am unable to change).
Lost Planet 2 also matched me quite randomly; the US or Mexico normally.

But GOW3 tries to match by region first. Sometimes I get lucky, but often I'm matched with players in E.Asia... namely Taiwan. I never get matched to Oz like in GOW2... which is a good thing - I swear they must have been trying to play on little better than dial up speeds to create that much lag!
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
(I never host games because some of them can't join; I have a moderate NAT setting that I am unable to change).
Forgive me for picking up on this, but anyone can change their NAT settings, unless they pay their ISP to keep their router somewhere else. Network Address Translation is handled by the local router (i.e. the one in your living room). If you can't access 192.168.1.1, you need your head checked.

Besides, any router worth its salt has included port triggering as a standard feature since about 2005. NAT is not your problem.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr_Monkey wrote:
Forgive me for picking up on this, but anyone can change their NAT settings, unless they pay their ISP to keep their router somewhere else. Network Address Translation is handled by the local router (i.e. the one in your living room). If you can't access 192.168.1.1, you need your head checked.

Besides, any router worth its salt has included port triggering as a standard feature since about 2005. NAT is not your problem.

Actually the reason I can't change it is because it is a Japanese router and I don't read a whole lot of kanji (and before you assume wrongly; no, most of the options are not in katakana):

-I played with the thing going through every option which only resulted in messing up the network, making various pieces of hardware unable to connect to the internet or losing my internet connection connection completely.
-I tried matching it up with the English manual (which has screen prints) for the same router but the hub layout is different on the Japanese router.
-I got some Japanese friends to have a go but they couldn't manage it either or were too scared to make any changes they didn't entirely understand despite my telling them that no matter what they did, I could easily restore the factory settings and re-set up to at least get my router network back up.

Forgive me for not thanking you for your unwarranted insults and completely useless advice. Do you have anything else to offer since you seem to know everything? Rolling Eyes
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is rather rich coming from you, but let's move on, shall we?

I'm willing to help you if you'd like.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. This is a thread about gaming not about changing my NAT settings nor getting my head checked for my inability to be able to do so. The little I did say about my NAT setting was purely for the benefit of the OP, i.e. I can�t host because of my NAT setting as opposed to not being able to host for reasons that may be contributed with gaming in Japan itself.

Besides, I have no desire to host online because of the stick that one receives from bad losers claiming host advantage. Thus my NAT setting is not even a minor inconvenience.
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Dissolution



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Location: Morioka-shi, Iwate-ken, Japan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I brought my Xbox 360 from America. So far, no issues. The power supply works just fine, I can connect to Live and I can play online.
Sadly, Netflix won't work, but all my other games are enjoyable.
-T
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:
Edit2~ if all else fails you can download the full version of most games for a reasonable price, as i just did with Crysis.

I forgot about this point.
Not all the games/add-ons can be purchased on the Marketplace despite being displayed. For the odd one there has been rating disputes, support issues, etc, so they get made available to only the right IP addresses i.e. non-Japanese addresses.

I tried buying one of the Bioshock games (probably the 2nd one) last year. Getting the demo was fine but when I tried to purchase the full game from Games on Demand, I got an error message saying that the contents was not available in my region. The same happened when I tried to get 1 vs 100 (understandable since it was a UK specific game) and the Snowblind maps add-on for GOW2 (due to a support issue). I ended up having to download the latter whilst in HK... strangely enough, the Dark Corners map add-on which came out after Snowblind was available for download in Japan as were all the earlier map packs.
And the GOW3 Beta download was also linked to IP addresses (this was a rating dispute), so even though I had a valid code, I was unable to use it and ended up giving it to my mother back in the UK.
I've never encountered this problem with any games bought from the Arcade section, though.
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crysis is the first full priced game ive purchased online, but iv bought many arcade games without any problems. The only arcade game i ever had a problem downloading was the Dead Rising game they released just before Dead Rising 2. When i tried to purchase it, it gave me a similar message, something along the lines of me being in the wrong region.

Also if you have a JP PS3 beware of downloading PS1 games, my friend bought Cool Boarders 2(PAL version) on PSN. Then when he went to install it, his Playstation told him it wouldnt work with his Japanese PS3. *beep*, they could have at least told him that before he paid for it!
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purple_piano



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For billingual games I suggest using the PlayAsia website. I tried playing CODMW2 in Japanese to improve my listening but ended up just following the objective markers Embarassed

There are little pockets of expat gamers in Japan. We had a nice Xbox360 group in Fukuoka area but we are now spread all over the world.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Gaming in Japan Reply with quote

Thunderpick wrote:
I was wondering if anyone here could give me any information about gaming in Japan.
In particular the xbox360 scene. Costs, going online etc.

Thanks.


Xbox 360 = wrong country
PS3, PSP, Wii, Nintendo DS/DSi/3DS = right country

Most systems (even the Japanese-produced ones) are quite expensive here. The MSRP for the Nintendo 3DS is currently about 15,000 yen, which is $198.02 ($48.02 more expensive than it is in the US). I've also pre-ordered Super Mario 3D Land (4,800 yen MSRP, but I'm getting a 5% discount). Yikes. That's over $63.

However, on the other hand, there are more games released here and they come out sooner than in the US or, heaven forbid, Australia and Europe.

Some Japanese games/utils for the systems I mentioned are simply not even available outside of Japan... For example, Puchikon, a Nintendo DSi/3DS programming language available for 800 yen on the eShop, is UNAVAILABLE outside of Japan. So if you want to program for your 3DS/DSi, good luck on doing that outside Japan. Same story with my current favorite series of kanji edutainment, Renjuku Kanji.

Overall, gaming here seems pretty good. I'm willing to pay the higher prices to be on the cutting edge and have a larger selection of games.
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Thunderpick



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the help guys! Some of it seemed unrelated to the topic, but thank you anyhow. I will keep you updated! Regards ya.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Gaming in Japan Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Xbox 360 = wrong country
PS3, PSP, Wii, Nintendo DS/DSi/3DS = right country

The 3DS is region locked. Apparently it is to stop people buying games that are in the wrong language, etc. But in truth, it is just to stop people buying games and consoles for cheaper prices in other countries which results in a drop in revenue for Nintendo.

I didn't bother getting a Japanese 3DS because at the time it was more expensive than a UK 3DS and I didn't want to risk getting one only to find that it can't play any of my collection of UK DS games. Plus when I leave Japan (which as it happens, may be the coming spring), I'd have the problem of trying to get hold of Japan regioned 3DS games (which may not have any language options) outside of Japan.

But it would be interesting to know for definite about whether or not a 3DS bought in Japan can play DS games from other other countries, if anybody has tried this.
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