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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| In my experience, most women who say they're happy living in Asia or the ME are lying. |
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1) I strongly suggest that you re-read my post. I said that women did not complain because the expat culture really frowns on it: they just lied about how much they liked it. It's the "lady doth protest too much" trigger for my b.s. detector. |
I did read your post. While I know many women who disliked their time in Saudi, I also know some that enjoyed their time there.
BUT... look at your quote above. You said "MOST women" ... "living in" ... "the ME are lying." if they say that they are happy. Thus you were not talking about Saudi, but all the ME (and Asia?). I would say that your self-vaunted BS detector is... totally BS. It seems to me that you don't understand women half as well as you seem to think you do.
I'm also unclear on which "expat culture" frowns on complaining. All I can say is that most sensible people all over the world get tired of the chronic whingers of any and all sexes.
But to turn that into your interpretation that most the women who say that they enjoyed their time in the ME are all liars because they are afraid of what the men will say... is bizarre... and off the mark IMHO.
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Badar Bin Bada Boom
Joined: 01 Jun 2011 Posts: 192 Location: Fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it is off the mark. On the other hand, sixteen years in the Gulf (9 in the Emirates and 7 in KSA so far) have shown me without a doubt that few non-Muslim western or Asian women of substance would come to Saudi Arabia and actually like it. By "substance" I mean someone educated, professional, self-reliant, intelligent, resourceful, someone who wishes to participate in life meaningfully. There are always exceptions, of course; perhaps Cleo might be one.
Frankly I also find it personally difficult to respect the more reactionary Muslim women such as the Saudi doctor who said "Why should I want to drive? I worked hard to become a doctor."
I'll work hard to make sure she's never my doctor. Oh--that's right--she'll never see any male patients anyway, I suppose. (Although back in '93, in Jeddah, I had a very, very nice Arab lady ophthalmologist. Three cheers for her. I bet in the real world she'd drive to work and wear what she wanted.)
I've lived in 11 countries worldwide outside my home country for a total of 35 years. News Flash: KSA is not the real world. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Badar Bin Bada Boom,
But since the lady being discussed here (Mysterious) IS Muslim, wouldn't that make your statement:
" . . . few non-Muslim western or Asian women of substance would come to Saudi Arabia and actually like it."
irrelevant to her case?
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John |
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epik_teacher
Joined: 09 Aug 2010 Posts: 52
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| A friend of mine who is there on the 3 month visa has a couple of mature students as friends, he is also friends of their family. They will send money for him, there are ways around everything............ |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Dear epik_teacher,
I agree - well, almost. There are usually ways around everything (I don't think anyone found a way around dying yet )
But isn't that a little risky? I don't know (not being Nigerian,) but wouldn't the sender have to have some rather confidential info - bank account number, routing number, maybe more?)
Couldn't that info be used in some nefarious ways?
Of course, you wrote that they were friends . . . .
Regards,
John |
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Middle East Beast

Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 836 Location: Up a tree
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Having to hand over your banking information to others seems quite risky, and you're also risking your money--the reason you went there in the first place. I sure wouldn't risk my nuts that way!
Not to mention it's really squirrelly to have to handle your money in such a manner!
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Badar Bin Bada Boom
Joined: 01 Jun 2011 Posts: 192 Location: Fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| johnslat wrote: |
Dear Badar Bin Bada Boom,
But since the lady being discussed here (Mysterious) IS Muslim, wouldn't that make your statement:
" . . . few non-Muslim western or Asian women of substance would come to Saudi Arabia and actually like it."
irrelevant to her case?
Regards,
John |
Who cares? The discussion has also involved more general points of the quality of life for women in Saudi Arabia. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi Mod Team


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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Several offensive and otherwise inappropriate postings have just been deleted. If they continue, there will be sanctions. Sanctions can and do include permanent banning along with ISPs.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=77530
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scot47

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Received wisdom is that Exchage Control is perceived by the Pious Ones as being un-Islamic. |
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McBrainiac
Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 61 Location: Somewhere warm
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:19 am Post subject: Exchange Controls |
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Thank you, Scot.
Hope retirement is treating you well
Cheers |
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scot47

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| My vows of Chastity and Poverty help. I now lead a righteous life. I am done with men and the ways of this world. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Dear scot47,
"My vows of Chastity and Poverty help. I now lead a righteous life. I am done with men and the ways of this world."
Ah, but are you "dpne with women?"
Regards,
John |
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DirtGuy
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Is it possible to get back to the original posting?
I'm applying for jobs like crazy, starting to get nibbles, and hoping to get hired soon. As with some of the posters, I have bills back in the States I need to pay so sending money home is imperative. Can one go outside of KSA, let's say on a monthly basis, and send money via a company like Western Union to the States?
The above is probably a dumb question so please be patient with a newbie.
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McBrainiac
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| To answer your question, YES, and it does not appear likely that they will implement their new policy anytime soon. There are much better options than Western Union for sending money. |
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Badar Bin Bada Boom
Joined: 01 Jun 2011 Posts: 192 Location: Fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Agreed. I wouldn't use Western Union for anything but rare, small amounts sent to some girlfriend in the Philippines or some other place where they seldom have bank accounts.
To leave the KSA you need an exit-re-entry visa, which costs $130 for a six-month multiple-entry version.
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