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quitting - how much notice?

 
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JaneMansfield



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:00 pm    Post subject: quitting - how much notice? Reply with quote

okay so let's say my friend.. wants to quit berlitz for another job and it's not been 3 months yet.

how much notice does she have to give legally? let's say the other job starts in less than a month.

and what about repercussions? do you quit and leave, no money for the hours she worked?

what about protocol, does she just wander into the office and say i'd like to leave?

thanks in advance for her!
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Employers are legally obliged to give you one month's notice (of pay in lieu of) if they want to fire you, so you are supposed to give a months notice if you want to quit.

But regardless, they should not be witholding any pay that is owed you. They should pay you all outstanding salary within 7 days of your last day. Of course if it hasn't been 3 months yet and you have a Leopalace type of housing agreement, then you could be liable for a penalty fee for breaking the contract early, have to pay rent in lieu of the month's notice you are supposed to give if you want to move out and any legit cleaning/repair fees, all of which the employer might deduct from your final pay.

And you should give written notice clearly highlighting today's date and the last date you will work both of which should be written in full, not short number forms. Ideally you should print 2 identical copies of the notice letter and show them both to your employer, make sure they clearly understand the intent and the dates then get them to sign both copies to say that they have read, understood and acknowledge the notice. You give one copy to them and keep one copy for yourself just in case the employer starts claiming at a later date that you didn't give official notice or the date you were leaving wasn't clear. DO NOT GIVE VERBAL NOTICE OR VERBALLY AGREE TO ANYTHING THAT THE EMPLOYERMIGHT ASK OF YOU AFTERWARDS. AVOID VERBAL DISCUSSIONS OF ANY DETAILS OF YOUR QUITTING. If you want to find out anything about procedures for moving out, getting your letter of release, etc, I advise you to do it via email/letter and get responses in the same form so that you have written proof should your employer try to change what was agreed or cheat you.


By the way, why is your friend quitting so quickly? Is the other job that much better?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that this is a gray area for legal debate. If I recall right, civil code says in the first year, you must give the notice set forth in the contract. Nothing more concrete than that. After a year. 2 weeks is enough. (Sorry, I do not have a link to this.)

seklarwia wrote:
you should give written notice clearly highlighting today's date and the last date you will work both of which should be written in full, not short number forms. Ideally you should print 2 identical copies of the notice letter and show them both to your employer, make sure they clearly understand the intent and the dates then get them to sign both copies to say that they have read, understood and acknowledge the notice. You give one copy to them and keep one copy for yourself just in case the employer starts claiming at a later date that you didn't give official notice or the date you were leaving wasn't clear.
This is all good and officious, but to say this and then "AVOID VERBAL DISCUSSIONS OF ANY DETAILS OF YOUR QUITTING." will probably not be practical.

Your friend wants to give less than a month's notice after being at Berlitz far less than a year. I'd say a little verbal discussion would actually be necessary, especially to apologize for the short notice. Hard to say what sort of feelings your friend and his employer have for each other, too.

As far as pay goes, I agree that legally they cannot withhold anything for the time your friend worked.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
This is all good and officious, but to say this and then "AVOID VERBAL DISCUSSIONS OF ANY DETAILS OF YOUR QUITTING." will probably not be practical.

Your friend wants to give less than a month's notice after being at Berlitz far less than a year. I'd say a little verbal discussion would actually be necessary, especially to apologize for the short notice. Hard to say what sort of feelings your friend and his employer have for each other, too.

I don't mean things like apologies. I mean dates and money related issues. Seen too many people posting that the employer promised to pay x amount on a certain date verbally, gone in only to be faced with excuses or the employer claiming that they or the employee misunderstood what was being agreed. Or even that the person they made the verbally agreement disappears and the manager they are now dealing with refuses to honour what was agreed because they were not informed about it.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that case, I agree 100%. Get as much as possible in writing.

I've heard that verbal agreements hold up in court, but who wants to let it go that far, let alone have to deal with "he said, she misunderstood and said" sort of stuff?
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