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G Cthulhu

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:58 am Post subject: Re: JET

jserio wrote:

He said the interview process is long (4-5 interviews).

I am wondering if anyone knows the acceptance rate. How many people apply and how many are accepted.

No one can answer that question. The acceptance rates depend on who is leaving the current year, how many places there are to fill, and how many applicants there are.

And, there is only 1 interview. The whole hiring cycle, from the point of view of the applicants, takes ~10 months from app to arrival and start. If you think it's slow then you try hiring 1300-2000 people across 27 countries.

ghostrider

Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 147

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:25 am Post subject:

G Cthulhu wrote:

Glenski wrote:

pnksweater wrote:

One last point, the salary scale has changed for JETs. The pay quoted is now pre-tax,

It has always been pre-tax that is cited (300,000 yen/month).

Nope. Previously the rate was always quoted post-tax and pre-benefits deductions. 300,000 after tax, and before pension, unemployment, health were taken out. In hand pay was usually ~250,000. Under the new pay scheme it will drop for new first year JET ALTs to ~205,000.

It is not a move that will help the JET Programme improve.

If that's true, JET hardly trumps private dispatch like it did in the past. It looks slightly better on your resume than private ALT dispatch companies, but you're still just an ALT and more is expected of you. I think getting accepted in JET will get easier. Fewer people interested in teaching in Japan, pay reductions, an application process more complicated than applying for graduate school, and no control over placement. Get assigned in/near Fukushima? Take it or leave it.

I'd aim for Tokyo or Kansai dispatch and get ready to apply for universities, private schools, and private school dispatches by the 2nd yr.

nimaime

Joined: 14 Aug 2011
Posts: 51

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:58 am Post subject:

i'm curious as to where most people go to in japan to "hunt" for a job. i mean, are your odds best in tokyo simply due to the population size? or do they go to their desired location? i've always wanted to live and work in fukuoka but the job market there seems even more grim than other places (this is what some school owners and friends there have told me). i have a great job in korea and realize if i go hunting in japan i can lose all my savings and end up with nothing, so i want the best odds possible at landing something!

Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:10 am Post subject:

If you want "the best odds", you'll forget focusing on a single area and instead apply everywhere.

jserio

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 61

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: JET

G Cthulhu wrote:

Well, he said there were several.

OK.. here's another question. How many here on Dave's have applied to JET and have been/not been accepted?

seklarwia

Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Posts: 1546
Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: JET

jserio wrote:

G Cthulhu wrote:

Well, he said there were several.

He was either confused or exaggerating. Besides, why are you arguing with G Cthulhu? There is a good reason why he is considered the JET expert on this board, you know.

Quote:

OK.. here's another question. How many here on Dave's have applied to JET and have been/not been accepted?

How is this information going to prove even remotely informative?

Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: JET

seklarwia wrote:

Quote:

OK.. here's another question. How many here on Dave's have applied to JET and have been/not been accepted?

How is this information going to prove even remotely informative?

I agree. With the thousands of applicants around the world and the small fraction that visit this site, and the even fewer who read this thread and feel the need to respond, you are not going to get any real usable info.

Even if you get someone's response, you would need some rather specific data to compare to your own situation:

age
nationality
ethnic origin
background (education/work experience)
year they applied
city where they interviewed
Etc.

jserio

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 61

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:21 am Post subject: Re: JET

seklarwia wrote:

Besides, why are you arguing with G Cthulhu? There is a good reason why he is considered the JET expert on this board, you know.

I didn't think I was arguing. Apologizes.

G Cthulhu

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:50 am Post subject: Re: JET

seklarwia wrote:

Besides, why are you arguing with G Cthulhu? There is a good reason why he is considered the JET expert on this board, you know.

Oh, no, nonono, no! Smile

I simply have a perspective on things and am somewhat more up to date than most people here on certain limited aspects of the hiring process. Beyond that, I just enjoy winding glenski up. Wink

G Cthulhu

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:54 am Post subject:

ghostrider wrote:

I think getting accepted in JET will get easier.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the next two years. I don't think there will be much change in numbers this cycle simply because the changes are so recent. It will take a while to see what effect they have IMO. That said, I still think JET is (currently) better overall than dispatch. The new efforts to make it as poor as dispatch seem... counter intuitive. Confused

G Cthulhu

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: Re: JET

jserio wrote:

G Cthulhu wrote:

And, there is only 1 interview.

Well, he said there were several.

I understand that. He's wrong. Smile

Quote:

OK.. here's another question. How many here on Dave's have applied to JET and have been/not been accepted?

Since Dave's has existed? 12. Does that help you? No? Choose another random number then. Any better? (There is a point here, btw)

G Cthulhu

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: Re: JET

jserio wrote:

seklarwia wrote:

Besides, why are you arguing with G Cthulhu? There is a good reason why he is considered the JET expert on this board, you know.

I didn't think I was arguing. Apologizes.

No need to apologize to me (or anyone else here) if you did want to argue though. I'm known for being happy to engage. I've got the mod warnings to prove it. Smile

(& I think you'll find seklarwia was not using the term in the pejorative sense)

ghostrider

Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 147

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:11 am Post subject: Re: JET

jserio wrote:

G Cthulhu wrote:

Well, he said there were several.

OK.. here's another question. How many here on Dave's have applied to JET and have been/not been accepted?

I applied twice and was put on the waiting list both times. Never accepted. I'm guessing the number of applications at that time were quite high as there was a clear difference in salary and benefits between JET and private dispatch then. Japan, more specifically Tokyo, was also quite popular in the US then, not just with J-pop/cosplay/Harajuku fanatics. I remember when I applied, eikaiwa/ALT forums like this used to be buzzing with activity, but they have been steadily decreasing in activity over the years. They seem almost dead, comparatively, since March. I'd name the other big sites, but I think the post may get deleted.

ghostrider

Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 147

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:26 am Post subject:

G Cthulhu wrote:

ghostrider wrote:

I think getting accepted in JET will get easier.

I agree this is likely too recent to affect the number of applications. I think other obvious factors will affect the number of applications more for the time being, and that includes to eikaiwas and private dispatch companies.

isitts

Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Posts: 193
Location: Korea

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject:

G Cthulhu wrote:

Glenski wrote:

pnksweater wrote:

One last point, the salary scale has changed for JETs. The pay quoted is now pre-tax,

It has always been pre-tax that is cited (300,000 yen/month).

Wow. 205,000? Yeah, I remember my pay stub said 248,000.

Is JET still requiring an 8 year probationary period between stints? I finished JET in 2005 and the rule at the time was that I'd have to wait 8 years before I could apply again. They wanted to keep fresh blood coming in.

Is the age limit still 40?

And... if take home is now 205k, does JET still have much of an edge over a job at AEON offering 270k, with housing subsidy of 55k yen?

G Cthulhu wrote:

Under the new pay scheme it will drop for new first year JET ALTs to ~205,000.

? Does JET give raises now?

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