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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: What happens to the bad kids? |
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As the title says, but a bit more in depth please. What happens to the kids who are pushed through school, who in other systems would fail? Where do they go to HS? What kinda jobs do they get/not get? Do they join gangs/mafia? Wondering from a social logical perspective.
I am at a JHS. The school has about 5 9th graders, and 3 8th graders who pretty much don't go to tclass, and if they do, they read manga, or play video games in class. The principal will let them graduate, but after JHS, where do they go? Japan is big on being part of some sort of team, esp when it comes to getting hired/school entrances, so references really do help.
I was at a SHS, and 2 senior girls didn't job hunt/apply to college. I asked what they were going to do, 'Delivery Heath' was the answer. I would like some honest answers, as I am genuinely curious, and don't wish these kids wrong, but would like to know what awaits them. |
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spidr245
Joined: 26 Nov 2008 Posts: 60
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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The kids probably plan on working as soon as they finish JHS. You know, that great life that awaits them as "the guy who warms up your bento at the konbini".
I have kids like that at my school, too. I asked some of them and they seriously want to do things like that. I suppose the others will just mooch off their parents until the parents get tired of it.
(As for your girls, they may already be doing that... The young girls these days care more about money than they do about their bodies/dignity.) |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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That's rough. Blue collar jobs don't tend to pay well. I have a mechanic friend here, and he works 6 days a week for 15万 a month. That is pretty rough. Same with the construction workers, they don't make that much when you factor in hours worked.
Working at a conbini till your parents die/get tired of you, is a sad sad plan for anyone's future.
Funny too, as when they work they have to be polite, which they never are at school. I understand having to behave for a job, but some of those menial jobs most be degrading for the pay you get.
Saw some yankee HS boys teasing a tissue handing out guy. Told them, that is what they can be, if they are lucky
Bet they already were in HS. One girl on her worksheets, her response to 'What do you like to do?' was 'play sex'..... |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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I've spoken about having two HSs now in various posts. One is extremely famous in the prefecture whilst the other is rather infamous and I often refer to it as my juvenile deliquent school... it was only a half jest. Have you seen an anime called Beelzebub? That isn't too far off from what my school is like; just add a few more piercings and tattoos and a little less fighting.
I hate telling locals about being an ALT at this school because they are always responding with comments like, "Poor you!" or "That must be tough." I have to force myself to smile and be civil in my defense of the school because I am actually extremely fond of it and I feel that the way people treat or judge my kids is totally unwarranted. Sure they hate to study, they often bunk off, they are pierced and inked, they sound crass and uncouth when they speak Japanese and many of them smoke and don't get me started on their bunny antics, but once you get to know them you quickly realise that they are actually really misunderstood.
Basically in this school, they are quickly split into 3 categories: Kyoyo (kids that will likely go on to some kind of higher ed), Fukushi (kids that will go on to work in social welfare) and Joho (these are the dregs who will probably just work in a relative's shop or end up in some blue collar work in the future). They attend lessons with other students in the same category rather than as a HR class. And there are certain lessons and courses that are category specific. I occassionally attend the welfare class with Fukushi students because they learn about welfare in other countries (I actually get to assist in classes other than English and work with teachers who are not JTEs and often speak little to no English which is always quite interesting - no sarcasm intended). Recently they watched Sicko... some of them have been put off the US for life
HS is not compulsory in Japan, some kids drop out and no, they will not all graduate. In fact, right now they are counting up attendence and kids that have not attended a number of consecutive lessons (I think its 14) in any particular subject without good reason is asked to leave. |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| (As for your girls, they may already be doing that... The young girls these days care more about money than they do about their bodies/dignity.) |
You probably need to check your judeo-xtian morality at the door: it's not up to you to pass judgement on them.
In reply to the OP, as others have said, they may well be expecting to work labouring jobs or store/factory work or some such. Personally, in most respects I have no problem with the kids doing that. I *like* the fact about Japan that, in the places I lived at least, no one thought anything much less of someone just because they decided that's what they wanted to do. They didn't get looked down on individually or socially as much as in, say, would happen in the US for going off into those sorts of jobs. It wasn't regarded as failure because they'd found a job and were looking after themselves. Obviously not as simple as just that, but I always found the overall attitude more balanced than in many other countries. |
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Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 984
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| G Cthulhu wrote: |
| spidr245 wrote: |
| (As for your girls, they may already be doing that... The young girls these days care more about money than they do about their bodies/dignity.) |
You probably need to check your judeo-xtian morality at the door: it's not up to you to pass judgement on them. |
Many girls prostitute themselves in high school for Prada handbags and designer clothes. It's called "enjo kousai." Were you seriously not aware of that? Have you read any book or newspaper related to Japan published in the last 10 years?
And why can't spidr245 pass judgment on it? Who appointed you to judge who can and cannot pass judgment?
Enjo kousai is a social problem. Many people (including Japanese, for whom you are trying to be an apologist) acknowledge that, not just Jews and Christians as you imply. Strong arguments could be made against enjo kousai using secular, Buddhist, and even Shinto arguments. |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| G Cthulhu wrote: |
| You probably need to check your judeo-xtian morality at the door: it's not up to you to pass judgement on them. |
Many girls prostitute themselves in high school for Prada handbags and designer clothes. It's called "enjo kousai." Were you seriously not aware of that? Have you read any book or newspaper related to Japan published in the last 10 years?
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Read what I wrote very carefully. Now, tell me why you picked out enjokosai? Why assume I wouldn't know what it is? What indications either way would you have for asking whether I was aware of it or not? Why pick that out when it was not mentioned by the OP or myself? Moreover, explain to me why your baseline assumptions of "high school" and "prostitution" are *inherently* bad? (Warning, there's a logical trap in there.)
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And why can't spidr245 pass judgment on it? Who appointed you to judge who can and cannot pass judgment?
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This is an interesting point for you to argue then: you're saying *I* can't pass judgement of any sort (I didn't, by the way) but spidr245 *can*? Yet you offer no actual argument for why I can't. Just an accusation in the form of a question.
But for that question: why can't I say he/she/it should check their morality at the door? They looked at it from, as I said, a judeo-xtian perspective. Japan isn't a judeo-xtian country. I would have thought that was obvious. Weren't *you* paying any attention?! Why should they check their sense of morality? For the same reason that you can't argue halal killing of cattle is "wrong" because of judeo-xtian sensibilities about "suffering".
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Enjo kousai is a social problem.
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No, I disagree: it's a legal problem. It's illegal. You did know that, didn't you?
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Many people (including Japanese, for whom you are trying to be an apologist)
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Show me where I did that. Nowhere did I defend delivery health. I simply voiced the opinion (I assume you subscribe to the idea of freedom of choice to do that?) that the perspective was ill-expressed by the person I was replying to. But hey, thanks for engaging in a bit of ad hominem attack *and* constructing a basic strawman argument. Appreciated.
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acknowledge that, not just Jews and Christians as you imply. Strong arguments could be made against enjo kousai using secular, Buddhist, and even Shinto arguments.
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Feel free to actually provide one of these strong arguments then.  |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: Re: What happens to the bad kids? |
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