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The Truth about Working at Shane English School
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Is Shane the best of the big schools in Japan?
Yes
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No
75%
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generalunionone



Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The General Union is preparing for negotiations with Shane English School. See www.generalunion.org for more information.
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Sublime



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 4-day week sounds alright.

Is that still possible?
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sublime wrote:
A 4-day week sounds alright.

Is that still possible?


I worked for Shane April 2011. This was just after Shane had been bought by Eikoh Seminar. At that time, all new-hires had to work a 5-day week. Except for in special circumstances, applications to work a 4-day week would only be considered for teachers who had complete their first 1-year contract.

There were also teachers who worked part-time, but that was a very different arrangement. I don't know much about that, but all the part-time teachers I met were recruited in Japan.

Personally, as a new teacher, I found the 5- (or often 6-) day weeks exhausting. 4-days was about right for me.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
Personally, as a new teacher, I found the 5- (or often 6-) day weeks exhausting. 4-days was about right for me.
Why? A five-day week is pretty standard throughout the world. Details, please.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Pitarou wrote:
Personally, as a new teacher, I found the 5- (or often 6-) day weeks exhausting. 4-days was about right for me.
Why? A five-day week is pretty standard throughout the world. Details, please.


I emphasise the word personally. There are plenty of long-term employees who do just fine, and some of them even enjoy the work.

My experience was that I was thrown into some of Shane's roughest waters to see if I would sink or swim. I did neither. I spent a year just about keeping my head above water, and then got out when the going was good. I guess I just wasn't cut out for it.

I'm much, much happier now as an ALT. I have much more time to reflect and prepare, and I do much better work.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Personally"
"Roughest waters"
"Keeping my head above water"

What does all that really mean? I don't see why you are avoiding a clear description.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
"Personally"
"Roughest waters"
"Keeping my head above water"

What does all that really mean? I don't see why you are avoiding a clear description.


The truth about Shane is this: it's just another commercial organisation trying to get by in a tough business climate. Work is hard and customers are stingy. I don't feel the need to blow off steam, and I see little value in grumbling about it. The Original Poster has already given a good account of Shane's culture.

But since you insist on pressing me: I thought the job was tougher than it needed to be. The company was parsimonious to a fault, and the people whose decisions most affected my working life were the people who knew / cared least about teacher welfare or teaching standards. (They weren't bad people, but my problems were not their problems.) This really affected my quality of life. My Director of Studies was full of excellent advice about how to cope with the demands of the job -- indeed I wish I'd started talking to him much earlier -- but that was the limit of what he could do for me.

Despite these complaints, I'm grateful to Shane. (That's another reason why I don't want to complain too much.) When I needed a visa and a job in Japan, no-one else offered me one, and I was under no illusions when I joined. And Shane is still there. It's still employing teachers. That's more than can be said for GEOS and NOVA.
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the work at Shane quite exhausting. You could have four hours of continuous lessons, which could be an hour class with Playgroup (a group of three or four year olds), followed by a five minute break - taken up by clearing up time - then a class of adults, then another kids class with no break at all between them, in theory. Not enough time to shove the cd into the player.

I have few complaints about the company, but they do get their pound of flesh out of the teachers.
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stumptowny



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misoji_blue wrote:

Is it like this at Shane? Or do you get enough time to plan during your actual work day? Basically all I want now is a job that I can (almost) forget about when I leave for the day.

Cheers.


it is chill. very chill. I never take work home, ever. shane also says during their new hire trainings, you dont have to be at school during your non teaching hours. they encourage you to leave. I was like, whuh?! did he just say that? so I am scheduled for 9 hours each day, my teaching time is 4-5 contact hours and the other 3 - 4 hours i am gone. I set up in the hour before work and that's it usually. done. about the break times, they are never together but sometimes will get a 90 minute break and go home and workout.. usually its 2 * 1 hour breaks or a bunch of 30 - 40 minute breaks.

about teaching 6 days a week. it is not set in stone. here is the strategy/rub. if you are offered sat/sun off, you are thinking sweet rita! but saturday is the biggest day and you will be called in to cover many times, as my friends working this shift. i have 2 nonconsecutive days off. although that sucks, i never get called in to cover so I always work 5 days a week..

so far i really like the management. they are hands off and chilled. what more could you want.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
it is chill. very chill.

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what more could you want.


Wow! That's not how I felt about it at all.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you. It's just that the things I found stressful are clearly not an issue for you, and vice versa.
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stumptowny



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
Quote:
it is chill. very chill.

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what more could you want.


Wow! That's not how I felt about it at all.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you. It's just that the things I found stressful are clearly not an issue for you, and vice versa.


Admittedly, I am very low key about teaching and I am far from the best teacher I can be. I am a "work to live" type. I could be studying during my break times but....

the stressful parts are the beginning because its chaos. the first month. learning 15 different books/ levels, and pacing... its absurd and a money making machine is what you are. then you stop caring and it falls into place... juggling 5 - 7 different texts each day and toys, cd's... my best lessons probably comes on the fly anyway... at least for the kiddies.

complaints: the SAC cd's are all read too fast so i stopped playing them. I just read the script myself. finding the other tracks on some of the cd's is retarded. utterly and you look a fool scrolling for the correct tapescript. some of the counselors are bitchy/stupid so I ignore those ones.. minor things..

overall its cake.. guess it depends on how seriously you take teaching and your personality type. if you are that type, I could see shane really freaking you out on a daily basis. I can't imagine how hard that would be to be on top of it.

of the large chain schools, i think shane is the best overall considering, actual teaching time, pay, vacation time, and little to no supervision...
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stumptowny wrote:
Admittedly, I am very low key about teaching and I am far from the best teacher I can be. I am a "work to live" type. I could be studying during my break times but....

the stressful parts are the beginning because its chaos. the first month. learning 15 different books/ levels, and pacing... its absurd and a money making machine is what you are. then you stop caring and it falls into place... juggling 5 - 7 different texts each day and toys, cd's... my best lessons probably comes on the fly anyway... at least for the kiddies.

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guess it depends on how seriously you take teaching and your personality type.


That about sums it up. You're already starting to sound like a Shane old-timer Wink
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shane is the worst place I've ever taught, next to NOVA. They are both the same thing. Terrible management, foreign head teachers and Japanese secretaries.

I can't believe how unorganized and chaotic and unprepared they were. Books not organized, secretaries that didn't have the right materials available for teachers or information when asked about something. This has to be one of the worst places to teach EFL in Japan.
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rxk22



Joined: 19 May 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
Shane is the worst place I've ever taught, next to NOVA. They are both the same thing. Terrible management, foreign head teachers and Japanese secretaries.

I can't believe how unorganized and chaotic and unprepared they were. Books not organized, secretaries that didn't have the right materials available for teachers or information when asked about something. This has to be one of the worst places to teach EFL in Japan.


Name a company that is associated with English teaching that IS organized. I haven't heard of many.

At my old Eikiawa(Seiha), things were unorganized as could be. I got my schedule for the next month, the day before. Double booked. Crappy material. And so on. I don't think this is just a Shane's issue. Not even close.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been at a new Shane in China for 2 months. The 15 yr old system I came from was twice as organized as Shane (at age 34).

There are too many flashcards--100s--and yet, no list available anywhere--not even from head office. For SPEC1* I'm supposed to use cards from 4 different sets and yet colour flaschcards are duplicated in at least 2 different sets as are numbers. Some of the flashcards are even ambiguous in the way they've been illustrated.

The Playtime, E-Z Colour, and FAB Red books are merely colouring books. Likewise, the SPEC books have limited classroom value. Strangely, there's not even a teacher's book for the Playtime or E-Z Colour--courses that tend to be the most lucrative for this market.

The FAB Red CD contains only '80's New Wave inspired songs--barely acceptable for classroom use, but are students expected to sing along at home? They hardly reflect the actual language taught in the class including my N.A. pronunciation.

The 'level check' test (initial placement test) and corresponding form seem a complete afterthought rather than something carefully thought out and continually revised over the past 34 yrs. There's not even any teacher/course evaluation form for adults to fill in.

As for the elitism, I've suggested we put up a Cdn and US flag next to the Union Jack at the gate of our school. There're no Brits here.

Having never been to Japan, I'm curious---is the heavily drill-oriented teaching method that Shane uses common there? During training in Shanghai, we covered well over a dozen drilling methods. I know the highly successful author of Longman Superkids series that's more popular there relies heavily on drilling.

* I assume the books are the same: Playtime, E-Z Colour, FAB, Open Door, SPEC, Take Off, etc.)
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