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It's Scary!

Joined: 17 Apr 2011 Posts: 823
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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You talk of a sane, western world NOT the Kurdistan I experienced. |
So why take the bait? ENO's post was purely to raise ire!
It's not worthy of a response! |
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Mikalina
Joined: 03 May 2011 Posts: 140 Location: Home (said in a Joe90 voice)
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Still hurts, I guess.
No reference from your last teaching position doesn't look good on application forms. Also 3,000 dollars owed not paid so feeling it financially too.
Will take a deep breath next time...... |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Dear It's Scary,
"So why take the bait? ENO's post was purely to raise ire!
It's not worthy of a response!"
I'd say Mikalina's post was helpful - after all, I doubt that all the readers of this forum are too knowledgeable about Kurdistan.
If eflnoil's post hadn't been challenged, I suspect at least some would have taken it as "gospel truth."
Regards,
John |
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It's Scary!

Joined: 17 Apr 2011 Posts: 823
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Dear It's Scary,
"So why take the bait? ENO's post was purely to raise ire!
It's not worthy of a response!"
I'd say Mikalina's post was helpful - after all, I doubt that all the readers of this forum are too knowledgeable about Kurdistan.
If eflnoil's post hadn't been challenged, I suspect at least some would have taken it as "gospel truth."
Regards,
John |
John, as agreeable we are at times,
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I have had several employers in the middle East and Central Asia over the years and have NEVER had problems with any of them. On the contrary, they have made every effort to make sure that I remain with them.
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Only a fool would take such loose usage as gospel!
It's just MHO! |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dear It's Scary,
And, thank God, there are, of course, no fools on Dave's .
Regards,
John |
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truman 123
Joined: 14 Oct 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: visa problem |
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Since when did Blaming the Victim come back into vogue ENO? |
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babur
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 178 Location: Dammam, Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: kurdistan |
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Interesting take
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If you:
1. Do the job that you have been asked and have agreed do in a manner that satisfies both students and management
2. Don't make waves and cause the management problems
3. Respect and behave in line with the local culture
4. Come to work on time
5. Relate in a mature manner with colleagues, students, management and the general populace
6. Can work as a team for the good of the organisation
7. Tolerate aspects of life there that might be different from those in your home country
8. Don't interfere in things that don't concern you.
9. have a happy disposition
then, I think your employer has a vested interest in keeping you with the organisation and will, therefore, do whatever is required to be able to do so whether it be matters pertaining to visa or anything else. |
Dear elfnoil,
And what if
you go through 1 - 9 for 2 months and still haven't been paid?
your employer turns out not to have a license to run a school?
you find out your employer hasn't got the money to pay you until the students have paid up?
you want to leave but your employer has the right connections at the airport to stop you?
your employer actually does threaten you with a weapon?
Ever been duped into working in a place like Kurdistan? Kurdistan is NOT Iraq. The latter is a country. Kurdistan is a lawless breakaway state.
Take a job at Britannia's Penitentiary of English managed by Dr Jeckel and Mrs Hyde. Let us know how it goes. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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"A lawless breakaway State" ? Like West Virginia ? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Dear scot47,
Texas might be a more appropriate comparison:
April 15, 2009:
"Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) was one of the dozens of Republican lawmakers who are addressing the anti-Obama tea parties today. He told the crowd he didn�t believe they were all �right-wing extremists,� as others had sought to portray them. �But if you are, I�m with you!� he shouted. After, he told reporters that Texas might have to secede from the union:
Perry told reporters following his speech that Texans might get so frustrated with the government they would want to secede from the union.
�There�s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that.�"
What a wingnut
Regards,
John
P.S. Oh, and in case you aren't familiar with that term:
"1. wingnut
n. An outspoken, irrational person with deeply-held, nominally conservative, political views. A person who chooses on principle to be flagrantly ignorant. A "right-wing nut". |
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babur
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 178 Location: Dammam, Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: Please quit the chinwagging |
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Just to put this thread back to the forefront. In the Klondike state of Kurdistan:
All schools and colleges are there to make money. Nothing else. You'll be employed to help them do that. They're not there to promote "academic excellence" or "make a difference". The Kurds are in dire need of a functioning education system. State education is in a mess because the Kurdish Regional Government uses the funds (mostly from donor countries) to finance ministers' lavish lifestyles.
VISAS:
If you're venturing into Klondikistan, get an Iraq visa in your own country. It's valid throughout Iraq, including Kurdistan. Visas issued by the KRG aren't valid outside the "enclave".
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Mikalina
Joined: 03 May 2011 Posts: 140 Location: Home (said in a Joe90 voice)
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Dr Jeckyl and Mrs Hyde - love it!!!! |
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babur
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 178 Location: Dammam, Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:18 pm Post subject: kurdistan update |
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The Kurdistan employment visa saga is still ongoing. You/your employer will only get a work permit with the right connections. Few are obtained through the official channels. Private schools (businesses) in Erbil, Dohuk and Suli which promise the "adventure of a lifetime", are still attracting loads make-a-difference wannabees. Be warned, even if you make it to Kurdistan with a signed contract in hand, remember once you're there and you're theirs unless you want pay your flight back home.
This happened last year but very little has changed.
http://victoriafine.blogspot.com/2010/06/ugly-side-of-northern-iraq-kurdistan.html
The infamous Britannia school of English which claims to be agents for every organisation under the sun has responded to
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Britannia Educational Services is a study in human psychology. They claim to be the leading center for English teaching (through their partnership with Cambridge and INTO study abroad programs in the UK and USA) however these claims, and many others, are thoroughly misleading.
Their staff is recruited from overseas, promised flight reimbursement, timely visa applications, cross-training, decent housing with the usual amenities included. Few can say that all these promises have been fulfilled.
Mis-communication between managers and staff is a common complaint throughout Asian and Middle Eastern companies, but the owners of this outfit simply fail to communicate at all. Important tasks, such as residency procedures, housing, class scheduling, and clear objectives and direction for implementing new projects is given to the owners' cousins or good friends, who aren't aware of organizational skills, preparation, or proper training. You're literally left on your own, from the time you arrive in the airport, through your work as an administrator or a teacher, while the managing staff often disappear, and the owners spend substantial amounts of time in England.
What's sickening is that many Kurdish undergraduates have trusted this company to provide guidance and preparation for graduate study abroad, and have simply had their money stolen, with no follow up, or even applications submitted on their parts. Few of the staff I worked with are returning. Some are seriously looking for other work and bearing the lies, mis-direction, and managerial apathy in the meantime. Until I came to Erbil, I was unaware of just how many foreign staff felt cheated, lied to, or dismissed on trivial charges by Britannia Educational Services and Consultancy. It's too bad that this is my first post on an educational institution. I warn you to be careful dealing with this company, and to ask for references of current foreign employees, and information about previous employees. They have just advertised this past October 2010; but I suspect they will be advertising again soon. They may tell you that they're expanding; however if you can't speak with one of the October - January hires to provide a positive reference, then consider this the most disturbing indicator of all. |
by publishing this
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=41617
Their still keep their staff confined to the school for long hours and don't pay overtime.
Anybody seen this.
http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2011/october/university-of-leicester-announces-groundbreaking-english-language-training-initiative-in-kurdistan-iraq
ukh once had a lot going for it but their attempts to hook up with British universities all back-fired. Hardly surprising when you read this.
https://sites.google.com/site/ukhtruth/ |
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Mikalina
Joined: 03 May 2011 Posts: 140 Location: Home (said in a Joe90 voice)
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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I find the trashing of individual teacher's professionalism really distasteful although I know it is a common defence from this company. They are very clever at this, using a small amount of common knowledge and building on it - we've all met 'dodgy' TEFL teachers and it is too easy for us to believe what the company says.
ALL the employees I know and have met, have actually LEFT the company, usually before the end of their contract, and not 'been let go' as Britannia states.
I would be more than happy to meet them to refute their own internet slander and to re-state my position as someone who had excellent references, qualifications and worked extremely hard - proven by the school going from 8 students to 64 whilst I was working there. I was left jobless, homeless, visa less and return flight-less - not pretty for a female in a Middle Eastern country.
One good thing though, from what I can gather they are acting quite honourable towards their staff at present (not Kurdish staff, of course - they are still the lowest of the low).
So these comment sites are obviously working....... |
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Mikalina
Joined: 03 May 2011 Posts: 140 Location: Home (said in a Joe90 voice)
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, heck. Just realised what I said. I forgot how degraded my idea of honour from this company has become.
By honourable, I mean, final payments and return flight tickets. Everything else, crap accommodation, unpaid overtime, bullying,non-existance visa, etc., etc., still exists. |
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