| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 5880
Location: Suzhou, China
|
 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| Quote: |
| There do seem to be some decent jobs on that site. I wouldn't rely too much on anything written in their forum or school review section though. It's long since been hijacked by a few prolific and obnoxious posters who think they have inside knowledge of every school in China and post criticisms on all of them. |
Amen, brother! One of those very prolific posters is actually one of the (*snicker!*) moderators. Won't mention which one, but his 'net name starts with a "T" and ends with an "i". Sorry, to get off-topic, but anytime someone can call out that other website (and, by the way, the small handful of regulars are no friends of Dave's, that's for sure!), I'm happy to lend a hand. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
DosEquisX
Joined: 09 Dec 2010
Posts: 361
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
They are everywhere. You can go through recruiters or cold call schools directly if you like.
Recruiters certainly aren't the most honest people out there, but they can connect you to an available school that may suit your interests very quickly. Contacting each university directly can be quite a grind because those China TEFL advertisements are often several years old and many of them already have teachers for the next semester. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
Posts: 5782
Location: Coastal Guangdong
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
| DosEquisX wrote: |
They are everywhere. You can go through recruiters or cold call schools directly if you like.
Recruiters certainly aren't the most honest people out there, but they can connect you to an available school that may suit your interests very quickly. Contacting each university directly can be quite a grind because those China TEFL advertisements are often several years old and many of them already have teachers for the next semester. |
True, but others are updated from time to time. I just checked the chinatefl ad for the school I work at and the contact info (the landline number and email, but not the name of the FAO) is current. Even if an ad is completely out of date, it provides a starting point - name and location of a school - for anyone who's job hunting. Not hard to get the missing info really. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PandaPandemonium
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Posts: 54
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
| 7969 wrote: |
| DosEquisX wrote: |
They are everywhere. You can go through recruiters or cold call schools directly if you like.
Recruiters certainly aren't the most honest people out there, but they can connect you to an available school that may suit your interests very quickly. Contacting each university directly can be quite a grind because those China TEFL advertisements are often several years old and many of them already have teachers for the next semester. |
True, but others are updated from time to time. I just checked the chinatefl ad for the school I work at and the contact info (the number and email, not the name of the FAO) are current. Even if an ad is completely out of date, it provides a starting point - name and location of a school - for anyone who's job hunting. Not hard to get the missing info really. |
7969, Ive checked chinatefl site and many schools there offer pathethic salaries..ranging from 3000-4000 and 4000-5000. how did you find a decent job? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
Posts: 5782
Location: Coastal Guangdong
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
| PandaPandemonium wrote: |
| 7969 wrote: |
| DosEquisX wrote: |
They are everywhere. You can go through recruiters or cold call schools directly if you like.
Recruiters certainly aren't the most honest people out there, but they can connect you to an available school that may suit your interests very quickly. Contacting each university directly can be quite a grind because those China TEFL advertisements are often several years old and many of them already have teachers for the next semester. |
True, but others are updated from time to time. I just checked the chinatefl ad for the school I work at and the contact info (the number and email, not the name of the FAO) are current. Even if an ad is completely out of date, it provides a starting point - name and location of a school - for anyone who's job hunting. Not hard to get the missing info really. |
7969, Ive checked chinatefl site and many schools there offer pathethic salaries..ranging from 3000-4000 and 4000-5000. how did you find a decent job? |
Pandapandemonium, first a lot of the jobs on that site are university jobs (lower number of hours/lower salary). Anything from 4500-6000 and 14-18 hours per week is considered normal for a university job - most people looking for a job here have to recognize that.
Second, regarding the pathetic salaries you've seen advertised - schools can buy a lifetime membership on that site to advertise (our school has one). As one other poster already pointed out some of the ads are out of date and the out of date bits can include contact info, addresses, salaries and working hours. Website maintenance (contact/other relevant info) doesn't seem to be the strong suit of businesses here in China. So if I saw an ad posting a salary I thought was too low - but everything else looked good - I'd try contact them anyway and ask for current details. Got nothing to lose by asking. As far as the job search goes I see freely available contact info, smth not always easy to get on other sites, as being the most important info myself.
| PandaPandemonium wrote: |
| how did you find a decent job? |
I found my current job (which I consider to be a very decent job) on chinatefl. I sent my r�sum� to 15 schools in Guangdong and Fujian. Seven sent me what I considered serious replies, and the school that replied most quickly and answered all my questions is where I am now. The first year my salary was 4500 for the standard university hours - 16. Five years later my salary is much higher and with fewer hours among other things. The job I had previous to this one - also from chinatefl but nowhere near as good as the job I have now. As with any other line of work, you're not likely to find your ideal teaching job first time around on any website. Most people have to put some time in down in the trenches first and work their way up. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
Posts: 1473
Location: asia
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| Most people have to put some time in down in the trenches first and work their way up. |
Sounds like this poster has been doing something right  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nomad-ish
Joined: 21 Oct 2010
Posts: 153
Location: Moving up the food chain!
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| OP, you can try angelina's esl cafe. i got my current job through them; it's not great, but it's good. i found the recruiters themselves to be very helpful, they even sent me holiday greetings (3 mths after i signed the contracts) offering extra help if i needed it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Cyberkada
Joined: 04 Dec 2011
Posts: 306
Location: Xi'an, China
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Our HR just sent out a blast e-mail looking for mid-year teachers to start in February. Subject-area mainly, like maths, physics, chemistry, business, and of course IELTS faculty. School is OK, they are replacing the deadwood FAOs. You teach 18-22 sections a week. no Saturdays*. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
luckylibrarian
Joined: 21 Dec 2010
Posts: 36
Location: Atlanta,Kunshan,China
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks Nomadish and Cyberkada for the tips.
I am working with Angelina's now. They got me two interviews for next week.
I was turned down yesterday via email from Pacican Shanghai. They hired someone with more experience with primary students.
Now that I have experience it is not enough for these employers.
Wish me luck!
Send me a pm with contact information at your job |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SahanRiddhi
Joined: 18 Sep 2010
Posts: 267
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
In my opinion, race is playing a big role here. School owners and managers believe that they attract more students with white teachers. And some associate black teachers with the Africans who do quite a bit of shady business in China and may not be native English speakers.
The upshot is that you have to apply for more jobs than a white teacher in order to get an equal number of offers. How many more, I don't know. Maybe eight or 10 times as many.
Sad but true. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SahanRiddhi
Joined: 18 Sep 2010
Posts: 267
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
GWOW, I beg you to change your avatar. He looks like he has Tourette's or Parkinson's. I get a severe headache every time I try to read one of your posts. It is giving me epilepsy.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MESL
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
Posts: 291
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I have used Dave�s for recruiting and for jobhunting. When I advertised on other sites, resumes trickled in; when I advertised on Dave�s, resumes poured in. When I apply for jobs posted on other sites, I get a few offers; when I apply for jobs posted on Dave�s, I get a lot of offers. That�s been my experience, take it for what it�s worth. Putting my resume on Dave�s and elsewhere, not much success. Don�t know why and don�t know of a good resume site. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
billybud
Joined: 26 Nov 2011
Posts: 17
Location: china
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
| THings happen at the last moment here. You will get the job you want but concentrate on finishing your last job with stars |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Posts: 4946
Location: Blabbing
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
| SahanRiddhi wrote: |
| GWOW, I beg you to change your avatar. He looks like he has Tourette's or Parkinson's. I get a severe headache every time I try to read one of your posts. It is giving me epilepsy. |
I am not opposed to changing it. Give me a day or two to come up with another one. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Baozi man
Joined: 06 Sep 2011
Posts: 214
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lucky Being Black, training schools are not your best bet. The parents don't want their kids around Black people. Racism is a learned behavior/attitude. It is passed to children from parents.
Criminally minded Africans don't help matters, either. In a large city near here, Africans were confined to the campus where they were studying military matters. It was believed by the administration that they should not be allowed to mingle freely with the people in the community
I recently heard that a very nice Asian nation near China is restricting its entire immigration policy due to the bad influence of Africans who were taking advantage of liberal immigration policies and causing problems. True or not, that is how Blacks are perceived by many.
If you are determined to stay here, you will be punished. I'm subject to racist taunts on a daily basis. I can't imagine what you will experience. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
