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Gtomas
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
But Korea pays about twice as much as a Chinese uni job and all told I work too many hours for this uni so the hours would be about the same. |
Yes, I think the money and living quality is better. I also think they have higher standards for what a teacher should be (never been there myself) but that's a good thing in my book.
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| Why not work in SK while you study Chinese and vacation in China?. |
I've given that some thought for a few reasons:
1. Quality of life - quality of life in general would be higher in Korea
2. Standard of education - I think a Chinese teaching school in Korea would make me work harder than the Chinese schools do, while also holding me to a higher standard. I am the type of student who needs concrete consequences (IE bad grades) for not doing well.
3. Money, of course.
Ok guys... I don't think it is off topic to start talking about flight from China if these taxes ever actually begin (big if).
What are the best options for teachers who have enjoyed it in 中国 so far, but feel compelled to leave if these new taxes come into play? |
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7969
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
But Korea pays about twice as much as a Chinese uni job and all told I work too many hours for this uni so the hours would be about the same. |
Yes, I think the money and living quality is better. I also think they have higher standards for what a teacher should be (never been there myself) but that's a good thing in my book. |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Unless things have changed since I was in Korea (2001) they'll hire anyone with a pulse (and a degree). |
This would indeed be a higher standard. |
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Guerciotti
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Unless things have changed since I was in Korea (2001) they'll hire anyone with a pulse (and a degree). |
... and a criminal record check. |
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Gtomas
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Unless things have changed since I was in Korea (2001) they'll hire anyone with a pulse (and a degree). |
... and a criminal record check. |
I've heard the criminal record check takes almost 5 months to have done? I can understand the Korean government wanting this. I feel I may need to get the check done soon just to keep Korea open as an option.
Anyone here taught recently in both China and Korea? I'd like to PM or chat about the differences. (Oh, uh, use the search feature of Dave's).
Korea seems really cool. I just don't want to chuck away all the efforts I've put into Chinese.
Recently I discovered a rather bizarre passion for Korea music videos.... hahhaha. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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I did Korea for several years but left when the lynchmobs started to appear. Check out the Korean forums to get a better in-depth analysis on what I'm talking about. Watching college kids shout "Yankee go home!" to Danish tourists was amusing, I must say...
And as for requirements:
A lot tighter now than in 2001...signs of things to come here in China. |
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Guerciotti
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:34 am Post subject: |
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I've heard the criminal record check takes almost 5 months to have done? I can understand the Korean government wanting this. I feel I may need to get the check done soon just to keep Korea open as an option.
Anyone here taught recently in both China and Korea? I'd like to PM or chat about the differences. (Oh, uh, use the search feature of Dave's).
Korea seems really cool. I just don't want to chuck away all the efforts I've put into Chinese.
Recently I discovered a rather bizarre passion for Korea music videos.... hahhaha. |
Yes, high quality videos at the cutting edge of music! No. Cute Korean girls, yes.
My last FBI CRC arrived three months after I sent it. You can imagine the summer months are busier for the FBI as SK now requires an FBI CRC from all Americans. That was over two years ago. Lots of CRC info and other interesting threads in the Korea forums; click the "work related discussions" link.
I might need to find a place to get fingerprinted in China. You can print the FBI fingerprint card from any printer, but use a thicker paper stock. But I'm not at all sure I can find a place to get official finger prints. I can't even find a dry cleaner for goodness' sake!
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DosEquisX
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I'm sure this question has been answered, but is that tax applying to the entire salary? Or just the part that's over 4800 RMB?
I spent a year in ROK. Great for saving money. Job satisfaction sucks though (see the Korea forums for that). I recommend China with respect to having a social life (assuming you're in a larger city) unless your main outlet of socialization is getting hammered on a weekly basis and regretting it the next morning. |
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Guerciotti
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| DosEquisX wrote: |
I'm sure this question has been answered, but is that tax applying to the entire salary? Or just the part that's over 4800 RMB?
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Yes the answer is somewhere in five pages of posts 
It applies to the first 12,600 of a foreigner's salary. So unlike the income tax it applies to the first 4,800. |
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DosEquisX
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| DosEquisX wrote: |
I'm sure this question has been answered, but is that tax applying to the entire salary? Or just the part that's over 4800 RMB?
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Yes the answer is somewhere in five pages of posts
It applies to the first 12,600 of a foreigner's salary. So unlike the income tax it applies to the first 4,800. |
Which tax applies first? For example, say I'm getting paid 5,300 RMB/month. The 11% tax knocks me below the income tax bracket, meaning I don't have to pay income taxes.
Meanwhile, if the income tax is first, then I pay for both taxes. The income tax knocks me down a bit and then I pay 11% tax. Perhaps both taxes are simultaneously applied to the same 5,300 RMB salary?
Of course, this all goes on top of the tax burden that the employer will shove on top of us. I can't see any employer paying the full tax out of his/her own pocket. Either less teachers will be hired or more teachers will quit.
Either way, this sucks. Barring any significant change in relationship status or some sick job offer, I think this will signal the end for me in China. The real question is where to go next? Taiwan seems to be the most logical step. I don't think I have the teaching experience and credentials to make a decent living in Hong Kong. |
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steve b
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| Actually if you read the thread I think you will find that it may be revised and that Guerc's statement on numbers is incorrect because individual cities will make their own decision as to what constitutes an average local salary. Whilst I agree on the face of it, it looks as if it is total salary, that may not be the case and no authoritative briefs have as far as I can ascertain been issued. But that might be because they are having second thoughts. |
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Cyberkada
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Another article from China Briefing. Looks like companies are either planning to, or have started to pull out of China and are moving (back) to India. They are planning to get out. Lets hope the CCP forgets this new tax and its all kinda forgotten as a bad mistake...
http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2011/09/14/increased-expat-costs-in-china-will-relocate-many-to-india.html
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| The third tipping point is the question of expatriate hires. Expats are a curious breed, willingly displaced, and increasingly over the past five years, inclusive of many economic refugees that couldn�t find a way to get ahead in the United States or Europe. Many ended up in China. From teaching English, to running bars, to operating businesses with wives and girlfriends, some have managed to pull themselves up by the braces and make something happen. Others may have managed to begin a China career, perhaps with an MNC, but still have a way to go to make it into senior management. These expats are going to hurt. As China has introduced mandatory social welfare payments applicable to expatriates in China, both employers and the expatriate employee are going to come under increased financial pressure. |
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steve b
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| Forgive me if I'm erring, but that was from September? |
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Cyberkada
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| Forgive me if I'm erring, but that was from September? |
Different article I seen no one posted previously. We need all the information we can get on this.
Is anyone putting away 11% of their current pay JUST IN CASE on month soon we all get walloped if this thing does come to pass?
We can probably handle the 11% on a per-month-basis. Its the retroactive from October 15th part that is troubling...
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steve b
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| Nope. |
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