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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:00 am Post subject: Is Japan still 'old-school' in TEFL methods? |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I get the sense teacher-centred drilling is still the norm in Japan.
I recently started working for Shane* in China (est'd in Japan). Training covered literally dozens of drill techniques. Despite the 100s of flashcards we do have, there's none for the random vocabulary beginners are expected to know to complete their phonetic homework. There's very little narrative or meaningful context within students' books.
It wasn't surprising to hear the senior teacher of another private school I worked with in '07 (who taught in Japan) complain of behavioural issues. His method of teaching was to ask the same mundane question to all 20 students in the class one by one. Such teaching struck me as highly unusual having taught in Canada and American-owned private schools in China that emphasized pair and group work, and more task-based methods.
As I had in the past, I used my obligatory office time to develop pairwork activities, games, role plays and other means to centextualize the language taught into meaningful communication tasks. Unfortunately my Chinese TA, was too busy marking workbooks during class time to be of much help to me in organizing such activities.
When they dismissed me, they told me what I expected was too difficult for gr. 4 students and I'd be better off teaching high school. But had the students actually mastered the limited language of the previous levels through meaningful practice, I'm sure what I was doing would've been far too easy for them--I'd be having to add a lot more language.
Even the coursebook author, a TEFL trainer, lecturer and teacher in Japan recognized the inherent problem of over-drilling in her own teaching on her Yahoo Superkids UsersGroup at the time. She claims to have read my advice but for whatever reason, is reluctant to respond.
If autonomy, mastery, and purpose are the secret according to Drive: The Surprising Truth of What Motivates Us, then such methods only instill dependency; allow only for the mastery of responding to cue (operand conditioning) and strip language learning from any communicative function or purpose, inevitably leading to behavioural issues.
I remember from my own gr. 6 French class--within a month, our first teacher left the room in tears, never to return. Where we such naughty kids or was the teaching so dehumanizing that we just naturally rebelled?
* I'd be interested to hear how Shane's changed now that it's been bought out from an academic standpoint. I assume they've replaced their curriculum with Longman, Oxford or some other courseware and possibly gone digital with interactive whiteboards as what Shanghai Shane's doing currently.
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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I think anybody that says Japan is on top of things TEFL wise, they are full of it. It is all that you said and more. I still haven't seen good company made flash cards. Most books just wonder around topics, and they never go back and reenforce grammar/vocab learned in the past. Which encourages cramming and then forgetting it forever.
''How are you?'' is still a deal breaker for most students. I am pretty surprised when half the kids even know what that question is. If they do get that, then ''how old are you?'' is game over
I've worked as an ALT and at a conversation school. Seems the one thing that the companies have in common, is that they have absolutely no clue on what is going on. From what their employes want from them, to what their customers demand. |
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It's Scary!

Joined: 17 Apr 2011 Posts: 823
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm fine, thank you, an-do you?
It's about all they know!
(Here's something that I used to have fun with...right after they responded to my question about their name, I'd immediately ask, "Why?" 99.8% would suffered an immediate and permanent melt-down, the other .02% would shine and haltingly reply, in a questioning tone, "Because my parents named me that?"
COMPLETELY OFF-SCRIPT!!!
Of course, NOVA had little use for me as I was making their clientele nervous and unhappy when the vast, vast majority was faced with the face-losing reality of not being able to speak a syllable of unscripted/unread Engrish!
Bad, Bad, Bad Teacher!!!  |
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Mr_Monkey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 661 Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's probably more accurate to state that teaching methodologies without any empirical evidence in their support are widespread in Japan.
At the level of individual teachers, it varies. Wildly. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| It's Scary! wrote: |
I'm fine, thank you, an-do you?
It's about all they know!
(Here's something that I used to have fun with...right after they responded to my question about their name, I'd immediately ask, "Why?" 99.8% would suffered an immediate and permanent melt-down, the other .02% would shine and haltingly reply, in a questioning tone, "Because my parents named me that?"
COMPLETELY OFF-SCRIPT!!!
Of course, NOVA had little use for me as I was making their clientele nervous and unhappy when the vast, vast majority was faced with the face-losing reality of not being able to speak a syllable of unscripted/unread Engrish!
Bad, Bad, Bad Teacher!!!  |
Yeah, at my eikaiwa it was all scripted. Anything that deviated outside of that narrow conversation, turned into the meltdown stare.
Which I get all the time as an ALT. I think a major problem, is that the kids don't know how to think for themselves. For instance if I do Bingo, with a 9 squared board, and I give them 10 items to be filled in. They get confused about that. Instead of knowing that 1 item should be left out. |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| It's Scary! wrote: |
I'm fine, thank you, an-do you?
It's about all they know!
(Here's something that I used to have fun with...right after they responded to my question about their name, I'd immediately ask, "Why?" 99.8% would suffered an immediate and permanent melt-down, the other .02% would shine and haltingly reply, in a questioning tone, "Because my parents named me that?"
COMPLETELY OFF-SCRIPT!!!
Of course, NOVA had little use for me as I was making their clientele nervous and unhappy when the vast, vast majority was faced with the face-losing reality of not being able to speak a syllable of unscripted/unread Engrish!
Bad, Bad, Bad Teacher!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: |
Yeah, at my eikaiwa it was all scripted. Anything that deviated outside of that narrow conversation, turned into the meltdown stare.
Which I get all the time as an ALT. I think a major problem, is that the kids don't know how to think for themselves. For instance if I do Bingo, with a 9 squared board, and I give them 10 items to be filled in. They get confused about that. Instead of knowing that 1 item should be left out. |
Maybe it's just you? From scripted or limited range it's entirely possible to get to fluency. There are entire methods based around that idea. But you keep talking about your students as if they're incapable of learning, which doesn't say much about you as far as respecting the learner goes, TBH.
You keep talking about how bad your students are and how unsuccessful they are at learning. Has it never occurred to you that across all those students the only constant was you? From a pedagogy point of view, you're more likely to be the problem given what you've described. |
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It's Scary!

Joined: 17 Apr 2011 Posts: 823
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Moi?!? Since you quoted another poster quoting me, I think not...
It's a bit confusing...'then again, I tend to edit out the non-essential bits! |
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