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HCT, Zayed, UAEU, Khalifa U
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mateacher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:39 am    Post subject: HCT, Zayed, UAEU, Khalifa U Reply with quote

How would you rank these as places to work.
Which pays the best?

I was looking at the HCT academic calendar and was pretty shocked that there are only 2 weeks winter holiday 1 week in the spring and 6.5 weeks in the summer.
Do the others have more holidays?
Im in Korea at a university at the moment and we get 5 months!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You won't find a UAE university offering anything close to that annual number of months off---different countries, different educational systems. In regard to pay, it depends on your qualifications, especially if you possess any of the employer's preferred or desirable skills/experience. Keep an eye on TESOL Arabia's website after the first of the year when the major universities start to post their job opportunities on the job fair link.
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mateacher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unfortunately I've also got used to teaching 9 hours a week.

Would you be able to rank the above mentioned universities.

Is it also the case that HCT is a good stepping stone toward working at ZU or UAEU?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher wrote:
unfortunately I've also got used to teaching 9 hours a week.

Not sure that you should even consider going to the Gulf if this and 5 months off is your standard... unless you make sure that you don't spend your whole time in the Gulf whinging about these details to managers and fellow teachers. It will the exact opposite of endear you to all. Laughing

Holidays are very similar in all the Gulf universities. Since the Eid holidays have moved into the summer, some have added the winter break and spring break. There used to be neither. Other than the Eid breaks, there were only a couple weeks between semesters with some employers taking that out of your 2 months in the summer. Summer break will range from 6-8 weeks.

mateacher wrote:
Would you be able to rank the above mentioned universities.

Not really... as NS says, salary depends on your credentials and how they appeal to each of the employers. Don't know about Khalifa, but the other three should be close.

mateacher wrote:
Is it also the case that HCT is a good stepping stone toward working at ZU or UAEU?

All three of those employers are government institutions under the Ministry of Higher Education. There is an unofficial "no poaching" policy that means that switching between them, though possible, very much depends on your relationship with management. They can block you with one phone call if they so desire.

Basically to answer your questions, you will need to apply to all 4 of them and if you get any offers, you can compare them.

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mateacher



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I finish my 2 year contract at HCT, could I then apply for the positions at ZU and UAEU without being blocked? or without it being held against me?

I was under the impression that it was 3 HCT, 2 ZU, 1 UAEU in terms of faculty satisfaction working at these universities, but from what you are saying they are basically the same? UAEUs academic calendar makes it look like there are much longer holidays, same with Zayed, is there any truth in that?

If I finish a contract at HCT, where would I go next? where is the next step up? or isn't there one?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher wrote:
If I finish my 2 year contract at HCT, could I then apply for the positions at ZU and UAEU without being blocked? or without it being held against me?

This is rather unpredictable. First off... the contracts for all three of these employers is 3 years. You may be able to move to one of the others, but there is no guarantee that either of the other two would hire you. ZU is very competitive because everyone applies there as a first choice. If you leave HCT with a good reference, they shouldn't block you... but... they could if they wanted. And any new employer may or may not be able to overcome the block and hire you anyway. There are no guarantees one way or the other. I know people who have taught at all three places and I know people that were unable to get any offers in the UAE after teaching at HCT.

mateacher wrote:
I was under the impression that it was 3 HCT, 2 ZU, 1 UAEU in terms of faculty satisfaction working at these universities, but from what you are saying they are basically the same? UAEUs academic calendar makes it look like there are much longer holidays, same with Zayed, is there any truth in that?

Well, you didn't ask about employee satisfaction... that is rather different from pay and holidays. But, I would agree with your ranking. Since such things as holidays change, your best source would be the websites. That would be the truth of the moment that they posted it on the website. Just be aware that they can change this if and when they want.

mateacher wrote:
If I finish a contract at HCT, where would I go next? where is the next step up? or isn't there one?

I don't quite know what you mean by "steps." You would go next to the employer that will hire you. Since you are already in the area, you would likely go to TESOL Arabia and see who will make you an offer.

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mateacher



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is UAEU as competitive as ZU? is the HCT the easiest to get into?
what about contact hours? where do you have to teach the most, not that I want to do that, I should be asking where do I have to teach the least?

How about if I finish the HCT 3 year contract and leave with a good reference, would they still block me? or would I be able to apply to jobs at ZU and UAEU just before finishing the contract to be able to switch employer when my contract was over?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher, the reason for many people coming here, ie money, is fast disappearing. don't jeopardize your current, seemingly comfortable, position for a load of stress here.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher wrote:
is UAEU as competitive as ZU? is the HCT the easiest to get into?
what about contact hours? where do you have to teach the most, not that I want to do that, I should be asking where do I have to teach the least?

How about if I finish the HCT 3 year contract and leave with a good reference, would they still block me? or would I be able to apply to jobs at ZU and UAEU just before finishing the contract to be able to switch employer when my contract was over?

Your nit-picky questions imply you have high expectations, which isn't realistic for the culture in this region. Seriously, there's no "formula" or "special strategy"; no one can predict if you'd even get an interview for any position, be it HCT, ZA or UAEU. I suggest you sit tight until positions are posted early 2014 and apply to see what happens. To make yourself more competitive, consider heading to TESOL Arabia's conference and job fair in March to be available for possible face-to-face interviews since some unis do their recruiting/hiring only during those three days.
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Neutrino Girl



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher, I would say that UAEU and Zayed are better places to work than HCT. As to which is easiest to get into, that will always be a bit of a mystery and depends highly on how many Instructors each institution just happens to be hiring any given semester. Definitely apply to all 3 and go from there.

HCT gets fewer holidays than UAEU (and Zayed I believe). At UAEU, you would get about two months off in the summer, 3 weeks in the winter, 2 in the Spring, plus all of the local holidays (Eid, National Day, etc). It ends up being approximately 3.5 to 4 months off per year.

Teaching hours at UAEU range from 16 to 18 per week, plus you are expected to have 4 office hours and 4 hours of 'committee work' per week. Basically, a 6-hour day is expected. I believe that HCT requires something more like 8 or 9 hours a day. I'm unsure about Zayed.

You would not be blocked if you completed a contract and then decided to move on. Lots of people do that. In fact, I believe that the no-poaching agreement does not even exist anymore, but if it does, that would only apply to folks who are mid-contract and applying elsewhere. You could always try, couldn't hurt. But personally, I wouldn't leave your current gig for a place like HCT. It's a hot mess from what I understand.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The catch is that HCT is the biggest system and does the most hiring... thus if one applied to all three for next academic year, assuming your experience qualifies you, you probably have a 50/50 chance of an offer from HCT, 30% from UAEU, and perhaps 10% from ZU - relatively speaking.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This year, UAEU only accepted CVs from applicants attending TESOL Arabia's job fair and subsequently, over those three days, conducted face-to-face interviews with short-listed candidates. So the OP's chances are likely nil for UAEU unless he heads to Dubai this coming March.
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Solar Strength



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nomad Soul,

Settle down, the OP isn't being nit picky. He just wants to make damn sure that he doesn't end up with a job that is worse than the one he has. I completely understand any anxiety and curiosity he has about the salary, work hours, etc. in the UAE.

But, 9 hours a week?

5 months paid vacation a year?

Why on earth are you, OP, considering a move to the most oppressive culture in the world; from Korea where one can drink beer on the street and chase beautiful Korean women with total freedom?

Is it because you are a contract instructor on a non-renewable contract?

My understanding is that many Japanese and Korean universities offer a 3 day work week or 4 day work week with full summer and winter vacations off.

It seems that schools in the Middle East require a Mon- Fri schedule and, as veiledsentiments has pointed out, a 6 hour work day.

9 hours a week with 5 months paid vacation a year is basically semi-retirement, man!

And I'm sure you're earning at least US $45,000 - $60,000 a year at your Korean university, right?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar Strength wrote:
Why on earth are you, OP, considering a move to the most oppressive culture in the world; from Korea where one can drink beer on the street and chase beautiful Korean women with total freedom?

The UAE has the most oppressive culture in the world? Shocked
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D. Merit



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We get it SS: you'd rather work for less than 700 bucks a month, as you've mentioned on another thread, and spend your time drinking and womanising.

You must be very parsimonious to be able to pursue these hobbies on such a shoestring budget.

Can we just say 'different strokes for different folks', and then you can call a halt to these tedious, 'one note' incursions?

Alternatively, you might spend the time researching about the UAE so that at least your repetitive drone will be a bit more informed.

For example ...

Solar Strength wrote:
It seems that schools in the Middle East require a Mon- Fri schedule.


I'm pretty certain that there isn't a single school in the gulf region that has a Mon - Fri schedule.

As I say, maybe you need to spend a bit more time reading and a bit less time embarrassing yourself.

Cheers!
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