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Black_Beer_Man
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Shimokitazawa
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Anyone know a good website for getting cheap business class seats for long haul flights back to the U.S. or to Europe?
Air Canada "not the friendliest" but at the top of the list for safety. Those fat, old, Air Canada bitches working as attendants really suck. I absolutely hate flying Air Canada. |
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Black_Beer_Man
Joined: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 453 Location: Yokohama
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Shimokitazawa wrote: |
Anyone know a good website for getting cheap business class seats for long haul flights back to the U.S. or to Europe?
Air Canada "not the friendliest" but at the top of the list for safety. Those fat, old, Air Canada bitches working as attendants really suck. I absolutely hate flying Air Canada. |
Yes, Air Canada's flight attendants are more like rude Soviet era Aeroflot flight attendants. However, Air Canada's food is decent and for me, bad food on a flight ruins the flight.
In recent years, I have flown with United Airlines (horrible food) and EVA Air (great safety record, kind flight attendants, but cafeteria-quality food).
So, I want to stick with Air Canada now. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Air Canada's food is decent |
REALLY want to know; on what international route does AC have decent food? Have flown them Canada/Europe for years and so far the only decent food I've encountered is FROM Europe TO Canada. The return food originating in Canada is horrendous.
Agree that the flight attendants are the worst of petty bureaucrats. |
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2buckets
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 515 Location: Middle East
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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"Anyone know a good website for getting cheap business class seats for long haul flights back to the U.S. or to Europe? "
Cheapoair gives good prices, but you need to check a few times a day as prices change by the minute. Book about one month in advance.
Have done several China runs from the States for $1000.00 or less. Best one was $748.00 return.
I always fly Etihad or Emirates from the Gulf. They are state subsidized and give great service and outstanding food, (and probably losing money, but showing the flag which so important to them). You get a menu to choose from with two or three choices. The economy seats are roomy and reasonably comfortable for the non-stop 19 hour trip from Abu Dhabi to NYC. Business class is like First class on most airlines.
As far as safety, well, In-sha-Allah, (God's will), is the motto of the airlines. But as they have top of the line maintenance facilities, and mostly western (well paid) pilots, they are very safe. They have a section for the five times a day prayer, so if enough people are praying, you'll probably make it OK.
I used to fly British Air, but there is always someone on strike in London, and I experienced countless delays. The worst was the food caters strike, so no food or WATER from London to the states.
I've flown on some dodgy airlines, Laos, Peru, Afghanistan, and Yemen and had some hair raising experiences. I always figured that if the pilot thought it was OK, well who am I to complain. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Wonder how they complied these stats? Since flying is so safe, even a few mishaps decades ago, may skew the current results.
As for Emirates and the other Gulf State carriers, no thanks. I am not going to fly on a carrier from a country that is essentially a slave state. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:10 am Post subject: |
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I almost always fly with China Eastern airline due to their low fares a.nd the fact that I take about three return flights each year.
According to google, the last time they lost any passengers was 2004 when 53 passengers were killed. Since the company began operations in 1988 only 91 passesgers have died.
I don't know if that's a particularly good record or not, but the odds are good enough for me, especially when you consider all the thousands of passegngers who fly with them every day.
The chances of dying while, flying no matter how ghetto the airline is, are so remote that an airlines safey record isn't something I evebn consider when booking a flight. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Japan also has their Burakumin underclasses, so it's not all that an enlightened society. I guess I won't fly Japan Airlines anymore.
Japan had its own untouchable caste, shunned and ostracized, historically referred to by the insulting term Eta, now called Burakumin. While modern law has officially abolished the class hierarchy, there are reports of discrimination against the Buraku or Burakumin underclasses.[31] The Burakumin are regarded as "ostracised."[32] The burakumin are one of the main minority groups in Japan, along with the Ainu of HokkaidÅ and those of residents of Korean and Chinese descent.
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Why are you turning this into a Japan vs the middle east debate?
No one said Japan had a perfect track record of equal rights.
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BTW slavery was abolished long ago in the Gulf. Low paid workers are free to leave any time. They don't because they make as much in a month as they would in a year in their home countries. Japan has many low paid foreign workers from the same poor countries that migrate to the Gulf, and their living conditions are not great.
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It's well documented that many immigrants, expecially in the UAE are lured into the country on false promises, then when they get there have their passports taken away from them and are paid way less than promised while living in dangerously crowded and unhygenic conditions, meaning they can never afford enough for the airfare home.
I've even met arabs who've lived in the UAE who have told me this and said that it's getting so crazy you have to be careful when driving for fear of some poor immigrant with no hope throwing themselves infront of your car. Why do this? Because regardless of who's fault it is, the driver is legally obligated to pay a large sum of compensation to the victim's family.
Anyway, personally I couldn't care less, I'll fly with whoever's cheapest regardless of their human rights record. Just saying, slavery like conditions do exist and are a reality for many foreign workers in the middle east, and to deny it is ignorant. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:40 am Post subject: |
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Just to clarify that my response and quotes were to 2buckets now deleted response. Guess he must have realised how dumb what he was claiming was. |
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Black_Beer_Man
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:06 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
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Air Canada's food is decent |
REALLY want to know; on what international route does AC have decent food? Have flown them Canada/Europe for years and so far the only decent food I've encountered is FROM Europe TO Canada. The return food originating in Canada is horrendous.
Agree that the flight attendants are the worst of petty bureaucrats. |
I meant that AC has decent food on the Tokyo - Vancouver / Toronto routes compared with United or EVA Airlines.
ANA flies to Canada. I have not flown with them yet, but I did some searching online and other people said that their food was not great. Breakfast was very bad.
I also read that the seats on some of ANA's planes are "Japanese size" (small) and that the seat backs don't decline. Instead, the seat cushion moves forward. Yippie!  |
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The Fifth Column

Joined: 11 Jun 2014 Posts: 331 Location: His habitude with lexical items protrudes not unlike a damaged pollex!!!
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
Just to clarify that my response and quotes were to 2buckets now deleted response. Guess he must have realised how dumb what he was claiming was. |
Thanks for clearing that up. For a moment, I thought that my brain aneurysm was acting up again... |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 16 Aug 2009 Posts: 458 Location: Saigon, Vietnam
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
I couldn't care less, I'll fly with whoever's cheapest regardless of their human rights record. |
= I'm morally bankrupt and have no conscience. |
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Shimokitazawa
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
Guess he must have realised how dumb what he was claiming was. |
The only dummy here is the person quoted above. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Uh oh! Looks like I've got a stalker troll. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 16 Aug 2009 Posts: 458 Location: Saigon, Vietnam
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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No, not a troll, it's just that your stupidity draws attention. |
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