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rxk22



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:30 am    Post subject: Fixing the birth rate Reply with quote

Yes, we all know that the birth rate here is too low. Esp in the Tokyo area where it is as low as 1.0

But in Nagaizumi, Shizuoka Prefecture, they have taken reasonable steps to reverse it.
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Child-care-tourism-key-for-Japan-s-struggling-municipalities

"Families with small children are flocking to Nagaizumi, which has a population of 42,000 and is located on the tip of Izu Peninsula, between Numazu and Mishima. The secret to the town's popularity is generous child care support. In Nagaizumi, out-of-pocket medical expenses for children up to the ninth grade are completely covered. Additionally, a family's third child and any subsequent children are eligible for free public kindergarten and preschool education.

Thanks to these measures, the town's total fertility rate was 1.99 in 2012, far higher than the national average of 1.41, and the population has increased 9% over the past 10 years."

I have seen places offering a free cow, free rice(60kg a year), and free trips to the local onsen, in order to recruit new blood to come to these dying rural areas. About time someone makes a reasonable effort to do something besides the nonsensical solutions that the Japanese towns offer.
Childcare and jobs is all you need to get people to have a decent amount of kids. Offer that, and not free cows/rice

Besides getting a lot of jobs out of Tokyo(which I feel is too large to be efficient economically or run by a government.), this is the next best thing. WHich is why I was excited about the come back on the logging industry, as this is the way to make sustainable jobs in rural areas. Pointless construction helps no one out, as it is a drain on the central govt.

In a lot of rural areas there are a lot of empty businesses. If they tried to recruit businesses by offering no taxes for a few years, and no rent. They could attract companies to create jobs in these areas. As I feel that Tokyo and Osaka are not the best places necessarily to create jobs, as rent and the COL living are pretty high for companies. Why not put some offices in Totori, Yamagata and Shikoku? As people will go where the jobs and child care are.

Seriously, finally someone has an actual solution here ie basically copying France

edit another cool link http://www.asahi.com/english/opinion/TKY200411250129.html
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free cows!? But why get a free cow when you can... oh, forget it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm coming up 43 this year, single, childless and with mad combat skills and a solid teaching resume from 15 years of martial training and something like a career. My guy has kids who I dote on.

I think about what if - my work were more secure, maternity leave honored by employers, childcare considered a right for working families, and single moms not stigmatized. I might have had a chance to have a child.

Japan's old boys are clueless about helping the younger generations help themselves.

And all those secretary assed 30 something guys collecting game cards and working at convenience stores while okaasan cooks for them ought to be put in boot camps where they toughen up and learn to be adults.

While I'm ranting, nail art and fake eyelashes should be illegal. Put those primped girls in basic training, too.

Seriously, Japan ignores the needs of its young people. They need skills and policies to cope with demographic change and support for the well-being of families.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, the govt needs to twist some arms and get the J companies to respect mothers. It is silly to just have women quit after they get pregnant.
Which is half the reason the birthrate here.

There has been some progress as off late, but still daycare here is nuts. It took a good few months to find a place so my wife could work. Essentially it is almost impossible for women with kids to put them in daycare and then get a job. As the wait times are sometimes up to a year. You essentially have to wait til your kids hit elem before going back to work.

Yeah the young guys here are so lame. Bunch of momma boys. I had 2 JTs when I was an ALT, and they were incredibly lame. Young guys, but really their approach to life was awful. One went home every weekend to the neighboring province "so I can relax at my parent's house". Both never could get a date, and were mad about it too. Try not being a selfish little girl, and maybe women will notice you?
I never did dare much here, but Gyaru and HS girls bother me.

I agree, everyone here needs to be toughened up a bit. Every guy needs to get punched in the face at least once as an adult. Just to balance em out.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must be pretty balanced out then. Few too many fist fights in my younger years, (un) fortunately. Bit of a pacifist now.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
Agreed, the govt needs to twist some arms and get the J companies to respect mothers. It is silly to just have women quit after they get pregnant.
Which is half the reason the birthrate here.

There has been some progress as off late, but still daycare here is nuts. It took a good few months to find a place so my wife could work. Essentially it is almost impossible for women with kids to put them in daycare and then get a job. As the wait times are sometimes up to a year. You essentially have to wait til your kids hit elem before going back to work.

Yeah the young guys here are so lame. Bunch of momma boys. I had 2 JTs when I was an ALT, and they were incredibly lame. Young guys, but really their approach to life was awful. One went home every weekend to the neighboring province "so I can relax at my parent's house". Both never could get a date, and were mad about it too. Try not being a selfish little girl, and maybe women will notice you?
I never did dare much here, but Gyaru and HS girls bother me.

I agree, everyone here needs to be toughened up a bit. Every guy needs to get punched in the face at least once as an adult. Just to balance em out.


That's a positively bizarre view of the world. What you're basically saying is that people that don't meet your expectations of gender roles and life patterns are less than you are. And, literally, need to be beaten for it. Greeeat. :roll:

Which would you prefer they adopt? The socialized and codified violence patterns of the US or the passive-aggressive latent violence of the British? What advantages would it bring?

Back to the OP subject: the birth rate, all things being equal and assuming the free market forces that so many here are enamoured of, should naturally correct. As populations decrease wages go up as labour becomes scarcer and as wages go up people are more able to afford to have children. And even if they don't, so what? The assumption that growth in all things (population, wages, living standards, whatever) must happen is a clear failure in thinking. Does it really matter if the population decreases? Will the sky fall? Rural villages ceasing to exist is a catastrophe..... why, exactly?

Quite a number of people here have this fascinating view that the free market is all things to all people, and yet you constantly rail against the central government and how they're "not doing anything!" The irony is clearly lost on most people.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maitoshi wrote:
I must be pretty balanced out then. Few too many fist fights in my younger years, (un) fortunately. Bit of a pacifist now.


Haha, not so much. I think experiencing a hardship such as getting hit/in a fight in good for people, esp men, as it usually restores their expectations. Many young men, have, and it is probably biologically driven, to believe that they are invincible, esp if they have no experience stating otherwise.

Anyhow on topic, jobs outside of Tokyo/Osaka, more daycare, have maternity leave, and and perhaps you'll start seeing some more little kids around here.

Which is good for us, as those will be our customers one day
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Agreed, the govt needs to twist some arms and get the J companies to respect mothers. It is silly to just have women quit after they get pregnant.
Which is half the reason the birthrate here.

There has been some progress as off late, but still daycare here is nuts. It took a good few months to find a place so my wife could work. Essentially it is almost impossible for women with kids to put them in daycare and then get a job. As the wait times are sometimes up to a year. You essentially have to wait til your kids hit elem before going back to work.

Yeah the young guys here are so lame. Bunch of momma boys. I had 2 JTs when I was an ALT, and they were incredibly lame. Young guys, but really their approach to life was awful. One went home every weekend to the neighboring province "so I can relax at my parent's house". Both never could get a date, and were mad about it too. Try not being a selfish little girl, and maybe women will notice you?
I never did dare much here, but Gyaru and HS girls bother me.

I agree, everyone here needs to be toughened up a bit. Every guy needs to get punched in the face at least once as an adult. Just to balance em out.


Totally agree, far too many balless little pussies around here. Maybe that's the effect staying in Mummy's bed until 12 years old has on people.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of that would have more to do with growing up essentially fatherless, actually.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:
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rxk22 wrote:
Agreed, the govt needs to twist some arms and get the J companies to respect mothers. It is silly to just have women quit after they get pregnant.
Which is half the reason the birthrate here.

There has been some progress as off late, but still daycare here is nuts. It took a good few months to find a place so my wife could work. Essentially it is almost impossible for women with kids to put them in daycare and then get a job. As the wait times are sometimes up to a year. You essentially have to wait til your kids hit elem before going back to work.

Yeah the young guys here are so lame. Bunch of momma boys. I had 2 JTs when I was an ALT, and they were incredibly lame. Young guys, but really their approach to life was awful. One went home every weekend to the neighboring province "so I can relax at my parent's house". Both never could get a date, and were mad about it too. Try not being a selfish little girl, and maybe women will notice you?
I never did dare much here, but Gyaru and HS girls bother me.

I agree, everyone here needs to be toughened up a bit. Every guy needs to get punched in the face at least once as an adult. Just to balance em out.


Totally agree, far too many balless little pussies around here. Maybe that's the effect staying in Mummy's bed until 12 years old has on people.


Excuse me for butting in, but isn't the phrase 'balless pussies' rather redundant? By definition, a *beep* has no...well, I'm sure you get my meaning. Please carry on! Very interesting thread! Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZennoSaji wrote:
I think a lot of that would have more to do with growing up essentially fatherless, actually.


Possibly. I know a lot of my students hate their dads, same with my wife's friends. The hate isn't out of being treated poorly. It stems from not seeing them.

But yeah, so many men here are total sissies. I was at a large train station once. Was taking the escalator down, and a lady behind us dropped her suitcase. It was just starting to move when it his this guy, and then it rolled down and hit me, I made sure it was Ok, and told her I was fine. The guy was mean mugging her so hard, as though he had been more than brushed against by a light suitcase.

Also, I see far too many men here using the elevator to change levels when they have a suitcase. While women with babies and old people are waiting. Really is shameful to not be an able bodied man.


Man, this thread got derailed Liz!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:


That's a positively bizarre view of the world. What you're basically saying is that people that don't meet your expectations of gender roles and life patterns are less than you are. And, literally, need to be beaten for it. Greeeat. Rolling Eyes .


Think it says more about you, that a person needs to get "beaten" to experience a punch in the face. I guess that Japan could never have a martial culture that dealt with unarmed combat between two consenting participants Rolling Eyes

I guess it is terrible that I am not accepting of people who can't function as an adult ie over 25, and that makes my world view bizarre.
Even more bizarrely, I think adults who can't take of their family in more ways than just financially are lacking.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
G Cthulhu wrote:
That's a positively bizarre view of the world. What you're basically saying is that people that don't meet your expectations of gender roles and life patterns are less than you are. And, literally, need to be beaten for it. Greeeat. Rolling Eyes .


Think it says more about you, that a person needs to get "beaten" to experience a punch in the face. I guess that Japan could never have a martial culture that dealt with unarmed combat between two consenting participants Rolling Eyes


I'm sorry that you were unable to write more clearly for the global audience. Kind of ironic for an English "teacher".

But let's put that aside and concentrate on the issue I raised, and that you avoided entirely: your assumption as normative a paradigm of violence as being "male". I don't see the attraction in it, but I'm still waiting for you to explain it.

Let's make it even clearer: your constant use of belittling words and descriptions of actions to describe around half of an entire nation. What are you basing the generalization on other than your own very limited experiences and (apparently a) need to compensate for something? Is it just a coping mechanism for the stress of life in Japan and knowing you'll never fit in or something deeper?


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I guess it is terrible that I am not accepting of people who can't function as an adult ie over 25, and that makes my world view bizarre.
Even more bizarrely, I think adults who can't take of their family in more ways than just financially are lacking.


I think people with what are clearly such strong cultural blinders and clearly ignorant of the realities of the world at large as lacking too. All the more so when they live in another country that simply isn't the same as the one they came from. But hey, build a world of value judgments if it makes you happy. Rolling Eyes Personally, Japan is simply Japan to me. I'm not concerned about whether Japanese males are "sissies" or need to "take a punch to the face" in order to be "real men" because the baggage wrapped up in that thought process is simply asinine and childish. It surely can't help you as a teacher to have such innate disrespect for your students, can it?

The really sad thing is, rxk2, that you're not going to see the point in all of this. You're just going to see it as a personal attack - when it's nothing of the sort. Which just feeds back into your "real men/beating people" view of the world, doesn't it?
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G Cthulhu wrote:



I'm sorry that you were unable to write more clearly for the global audience. Kind of ironic for an English "teacher".

But let's put that aside and concentrate on the issue I raised, and that you avoided entirely: your assumption as normative a paradigm of violence as being "male". I don't see the attraction in it, but I'm still waiting for you to explain it.

Let's make it even clearer: your constant use of belittling words and descriptions of actions to describe around half of an entire nation. What are you basing the generalization on other than your own very limited experiences and (apparently a) need to compensate for something? Is it just a coping mechanism for the stress of life in Japan and knowing you'll never fit in or something deeper?


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I guess it is terrible that I am not accepting of people who can't function as an adult ie over 25, and that makes my world view bizarre.
Even more bizarrely, I think adults who can't take of their family in more ways than just financially are lacking.


I think people with what are clearly such strong cultural blinders and clearly ignorant of the realities of the world at large as lacking too. All the more so when they live in another country that simply isn't the same as the one they came from. But hey, build a world of value judgments if it makes you happy. Rolling Eyes Personally, Japan is simply Japan to me. I'm not concerned about whether Japanese males are "sissies" or need to "take a punch to the face" in order to be "real men" because the baggage wrapped up in that thought process is simply asinine and childish. It surely can't help you as a teacher to have such innate disrespect for your students, can it?

The really sad thing is, rxk2, that you're not going to see the point in all of this. You're just going to see it as a personal attack - when it's nothing of the sort. Which just feeds back into your "real men/beating people" view of the world, doesn't it?


I'm sorry, I guess you not only have heard of Japanese martial arts, but you also haven't realized that women are different than men physically as well as mentally. One day you'll know, it'll just take time.

I don't really care about fully integrating in here. I am mostly there, but not being Japanese is a real hang up, despite my language ability, and the fact that I have a family here. I don't see a problem with me, perhaps you are projecting?
Violence isn't just a male trait, look at prehistory, and discover that humanity=violence, and that the includes the present. Males are just much much better at violence than females are. You'll realize that once you are around a female or two. It'll take time, but you'll figure it out.

I didn't dodge anything, I just think that your world view is silly at best. ie it doesn't exist outside of college.

btw Rx22, has two 2s in it. Just so so know.

edit, by pre history I mean actually, substantiated events/people such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi not too mention about 98% of all military personal, ever.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe, you two should get a room. The sexual tension is reaching a crescendo.

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