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H5N1



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:02 am    Post subject: Visa push out starting in January, 2015 Reply with quote

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TRH



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: Visa push out starting in January, 2015 Reply with quote

H5N1 wrote:
Schools are also putting pressure once again on getting their instructors to get work permits.
Are the schools putting on the pressure or is the Labor Department and the schools are simply passing it along? I know that my school recently went through a full work permit inspection with officials in the building looking at records.
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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly anything (chaotic) is possible with these guys, but for the last couple of years, visas have been very easy in the south, and now with a 1 year option readily available just for plunking down the cash. Extensions have seemed to be unlimited. I also get the feeling that this can also depend on what country you are from.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it has been more lax in the south for a long time. Some guys in the north actually mail their passports to the south in order to get it done.

This organization lists some of their options online. I do not see the pure 1 year visa (without the sponsor from friend thing, whatever that is), but in the ad they send out to subscribers they mention it.

http://www.expat.vn/translations-paper-work/vietnam-visa

Individual agents also talk about having it as an option. I prefer not to list them online unless they have a website stating what they do, but I do know a good one whose number I could share with you. He has always been quite efficient. Of course, for folks who are worried about their last dime, this is not what you are seeking, as this visa thing seems to just be about money, and you do have to be prepared to spend some bucks to stay in the country. I think the backpackers feel they can shave a bit off the cost by crossing the border, maybe they can if they enjoy the ride and time means very little to them.

I am thinking extensions are about 175 or so if you have been in the country for years, once you are past a certain number, they get up to that range. I think the one year is about 800 or so. Not sure of the exact figures, but in that ballpark. Everything I have been seeing down here is that if you are from a country that is in favor and if you are willing to spend the money, you get the extensions, no questions asked. But that is just up til now, it could change this afternoon of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will send you his number now. I just found out that extensions through him are about $125 here, this is for single entry, for folks that have had many previous extensions. Multi entry visas are the higher number, about $175. I will get some updated info directly from him on what he is hearing about this topic of no extensions later down the road. If it were to really happen, a one year might be good to get now. However, we have heard this so many times, hard to believe it any more. Still, I think a one year is great regardless, for folks who are sure they are sticking around and do not have some other magical way of getting legal status. I am just really getting the feeling that we are fine now, as long as we do not do anything too crazy, we pay our way and we are from the promised land. Of course, it could all change at any time.
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calidan



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MIS, are you hearing anything about the 20 or so new visa classifications that are coming in January? Some of them seem to be applicable to English teachers and may allow longer stays without border runs, but I haven't read anything that goes into any detail about them -- just the somewhat vague descriptions.
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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will be having someone speak to this source today or tomorrow. I will post whatever I find out. Thanks for that update, I will try to get that covered. I don't know how in the loop these guys are, they really are just connected middlemen, seems to me, but anyway, will post whatever I find out. Crazy thing is that even the guys making the rules can say "so shall it be written, so shall it be done", and then reality comes along and whatever they said "is no longer operable". Ya know? We see that all the time. Anyway, will let you know what I hear, for whatever it is worth.
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calidan



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, MIS. Just for posterity, here are the new visa definitions that are set to take effect in January, 2015:

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Categories of Visa Description / category of applicant entitled to   Duration of Visa   Duration of Temporary Resident Card

NG1-NG4   Diplomatic   Up to 12 months   Up to 5 years
LV1-LV2   Working with Vietnamese authorities/parties   Up to 12 months   Up to 5 years
ĐT   Investors/foreign lawyers   Up to 5 years   Up to 5 years
DN   Working with Vietnamese enterprises   Up to 12 months NA
NN1-NN2   Chief Representative Office, Head of Project Office of foreign NGO), Chief rep of rep offices in VN.   Up to 12 months   Up to 3 years
NN3   Staffs of NGO, Rep office in VN   Up to 12 months   NA
DH   Students/ interns   Up to 12 months   Up to 5 years
HN   Attending meeting   Up to 3 months   NA
PV1   Journalists with permanent residence in VN   Up to 12 months   Up to 2 years
PV2   Journalists with short term residence in VN   Up to 12 months   NA
LĐ   Foreign workers   Up to 2 years   Up to 2 years
DL   Tourists   Up to 3 months   NA
TT   Dependents of 2,3,5,7,9,11   Up to 12 months   Up to 3 years
VR   Visiting relatives, other purpose   Up to 6 months   NA
SQ   Related to MOF, Consulate with the purpose of market research, visiting relatives, tourist, medical treatment   Up to 30 days   NA
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

calidan wrote:
DH Students/ interns Up to 12 months Up to 5 years

LĐ Foreign workers Up to 2 years Up to 2 years

TT Dependents of 2,3,5,7,9,11 Up to 12 months Up to 3 years

VR Visiting relatives, other purpose Up to 6 months NA
I think the above are either interesting or relevant to most of us.

DH: Interesting that a foreign student can have a longer visa and residency card than a foreign teacher.

LĐ: It seems that the two year maximum remains in effect for teacher work permits.

TT: Any idea what these numbers represent. Presumably they reference another part of the original document.

VR: I think this must be the so called 5 year visa which a substantial number of married teachers hold. If you have one, you know that it is not really a visa but a permit that allow renewable 90 day visas without exiting. This period seems to have been increased. I did once met a VK who told me he renews his visa for 6 months at a time in Can Tho so I am wondering if that was always the case and HCMC authorities simply chose to make it 90 days.
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calidan



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRH wrote:

TT: Any idea what these numbers represent. Presumably they reference another part of the original document.

They are the line numbers of the other visa types. i.e.:

2 -- LV1-LV2 Working with Vietnamese authorities/parties
3 -- ĐT Investors/foreign lawyers
5 -- NN1-NN2 Chief Representative Office, Head of Project Office of foreign NGO), Chief rep of rep offices in VN.
7 -- DH Students/ interns
9 -- PV1 Journalists with permanent residence in VN
11 -- LĐ Foreign workers
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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, my VN helper talked to the guy. The guy said that:

1 - these new rules are under discussion, they are not certain at this time.

2 - even if they become rules, the common workaround will still allow you to stay in without a border run.

3 - the 1 year visa is about 700 bucks, not 800, and that the cost can vary a bit depending on your particulars (whatever that means, mainly I think it is how long you have been here without leaving, but not certain on what those particulars are).

By the way, the current 3 month endless extension is about 125 single entry, about 175 multiple entry. The one year for 700 is multiple, without a single entry option. So, the one year is about the same as 4*175, plus you have the added benefit of not having to mess with it for a while and having a full year of slack in case they suddenly change the rules.

I continue to get the feeling that if you can pay the price and are not doing anything crazy (plus you are from the right country), they want you. We do spend our money here, we do teach them (something, I am sure), and we do have one hell of a nice navy floating around out there somewhere.
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ieltsteacher102



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I continue to get the feeling that if you can pay the price


Yep its all that matters, if you dont understand something follow the money!
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark_in_saigon wrote:
3 - the 1 year visa is about 700 bucks, not 800, and that the cost can vary a bit depending on your particulars (whatever that means, mainly I think it is how long you have been here without leaving, but not certain on what those particulars are).

By the way, the current 3 month endless extension is about 125 single entry, about 175 multiple entry. The one year for 700 is multiple, without a single entry option. So, the one year is about the same as 4*175, plus you have the added benefit of not having to mess with it for a while and having a full year of slack in case they suddenly change the rules.

Confused My year-long visa bought in May was $135 and the 3 month one bought earlier in the year was $95. Where are you getting these extortionate figures from?
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