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wavelength

Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Posts: 151 Location: The Feel Good River of a Celestial Rainbow
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:32 pm Post subject: Very Low Response Rate |
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I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm getting a very low response rate for my CV. In brief:
- 5 years experience
- BA Writing and Literature
- BA Visual Art
- 160 hour TEFL
Does anyone have any suggestions? (Also, dealing with recruiters is getting old.) |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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You didn't mention where and how you've been applying. But there's either something amiss with your CV, you're applying to positions you're not quite qualified for, and/or your timing is off (i.e., this isn't the hiring season for the countries/jobs you're applying to). |
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adaruby
Joined: 21 Apr 2014 Posts: 171 Location: has served on a hiring committee
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Very Low Response Rate |
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wavelength wrote: |
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm getting a very low response rate for my CV. In brief:
- 5 years experience
- BA Writing and Literature
- BA Visual Art
- 160 hour TEFL
Does anyone have any suggestions? (Also, dealing with recruiters is getting old.) |
Get a CELTA.
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wavelength

Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Posts: 151 Location: The Feel Good River of a Celestial Rainbow
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:58 pm Post subject: Thanks Nomad |
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I'm primarily applying in Saudi and Korea. I was in Korea 15 years ago, so I know I can save money there. Also, Korea is an all year round hiring market. I think they don't like my age (42), and I know I don't like having to shave off my beard to fit their likings.
As for Saudi, I filter out the opportunities that my BA doesn't fit. Other wise, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I usually search for employer information on this board, and that often further filters my choices.
If I could send you my CV for a quick look over, I would.
My standard cover letter, which any one can use as a template if they want, is:
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Dear NAME,
I'm very interested in the position you've advertised for an TITLE position on WEBSITE.
I am a Network+ Certified British citizen who's also an experienced language teacher with 5 years international experience in the classroom, a BA in Writing and Literature, a BA in Visual Art, and a 160 hour in-house TEFL.
I have skills in:
- Lesson planning
- Classroom management
- Cultural adaptability
- Advanced computer skills
Further documentation, such as CRB with Apostille and references are available.
I look forward to engaging your company and learning about your role in education. Please contact me via email or by telephone at PHONE.
Yours sincerely,
MY NAME
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wavelength

Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Posts: 151 Location: The Feel Good River of a Celestial Rainbow
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Very Low Response Rate |
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adaruby wrote: |
Get a CELTA. |
I contacted Cambridge and they recommended I complete the DELTA, which I plan to do, but first I need an income.  |
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adaruby
Joined: 21 Apr 2014 Posts: 171 Location: has served on a hiring committee
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Very Low Response Rate |
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wavelength wrote: |
adaruby wrote: |
Get a CELTA. |
I contacted Cambridge and they recommended I complete the DELTA, which I plan to do, but first I need an income.  |
Fair point.  |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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wavelength wrote: |
As for Saudi, I filter out the opportunities that my BA doesn't fit. Other wise, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I usually search for employer information on this board, and that often further filters my choices. |
I believe you've mentioned on the Saudi that you've received offers but weren't thrilled with them. It may be a matter of lowering your salary expectations; Saudi employers have a preference for applicants with TEFL-related BAs, which yours may not qualify as. Additionally, you didn't state what your 5 years of experience entailed (e.g., children in public schools, adults in language schools, government contracts, university teaching, etc.) and where you taught. Plus, if your experience was gained before you got your TEFL cert, be aware many employers won't credit applicants for teaching experience gained prior to obtaining their TEFL qualification. Lastly, it may be your TEFL cert that's not appealing to employers, especially if it's not equivalent to the CELTA.
As for getting the Delta, it may get you more income in Saudi Arabia, but it still may not be enough for the better jobs that require a TEFL-related MA. |
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wavelength

Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Posts: 151 Location: The Feel Good River of a Celestial Rainbow
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:20 pm Post subject: Thanks |
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Thanks for the response.
Experience includes Kindergarten, Middle school, and university students. Countries include Korea (not mentioned because it was so long ago), Taiwan, China, Thailand, and Cambodia. Cambodia and Thailand are referable.
TEFL earned in 2009 in Thailand. Satisfies most employers.
Salaries are fine from Saudi. One pulled out because I asked why the salary offered was $10,000 per year less than advertised for someone with less experience but same qualifications. The second one... I don't know what happened to that guy. (Got the feeling the good "Doctor" was juggling more than education... perhaps syphoning passport information pages.) |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Kindergarten and middle school experience isn't going to excite Saudi employers; ditto for experience obtained in certain Asian countries. I suspect that's why that salary offer was less than what was advertised. Anyway, your qualifications are minimal, so don't expect big bucks. |
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wavelength

Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Posts: 151 Location: The Feel Good River of a Celestial Rainbow
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject: Minimal |
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nomad soul wrote: |
Anyway, your qualifications are minimal, so don't expect big bucks. |
For Saudi, that's true. I think 3k inclusive is a great deal. It would allow me to upgrade my qualifications in a year or two.
However, I am specifically referring to an offer than required the exact same credentials I have with only 1 or 2 years experience. Simply asking for an explanation of why I was offered significantly less than advertised is not a good reason to pull a job offer. (I even said "please.") |
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reddevil79

Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 234 Location: Neither here nor there
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Can I be honest here? As someone who has hired teachers for the institutions I’ve worked for, that letter’s too brief and doesn’t do much for me. It seems like you’re sending the same letter to each institution you’re applying to, so how will you stand out? I can’t tell you how many generic application emails I received and I deleted most of them.
Things to include:
- Why do you want to work for that particular institution?
- What could you offer them?
- How would you adapt to the town/city/region? Why?
- Is your experience relevant to the position? If so, why? How will it help?
I could go on, but in the short time that you’ve got the recruiter’s attention you need to show him or her your skills, your experience and what you could bring to them. It seems like you’ve done a heck of a lot in just five years, so show them  |
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wavelength

Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Posts: 151 Location: The Feel Good River of a Celestial Rainbow
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:22 pm Post subject: Retitle |
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By the way, I should probably retitle this thread to "Zero Response Rate". |
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wavelength

Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Posts: 151 Location: The Feel Good River of a Celestial Rainbow
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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reddevil79 wrote: |
Can I be honest here? As someone who has hired teachers for the institutions I’ve worked for, that letter’s too brief and doesn’t do much for me. It seems like you’re sending the same letter to each institution you’re applying to, so how will you stand out? I can’t tell you how many generic application emails I received and I deleted most of them.
Things to include:
- Why do you want to work for that particular institution?
- What could you offer them?
- How would you adapt to the town/city/region? Why?
- Is your experience relevant to the position? If so, why? How will it help?
I could go on, but in the short time that you’ve got the recruiter’s attention you need to show him or her your skills, your experience and what you could bring to them. It seems like you’ve done a heck of a lot in just five years, so show them  |
OK Reddevil79. That's really helpful and constructive. I'm already looking into why my CV is not getting the attention I hoped for, and now I can enable my cover letter. To tell you the truth, I am using the same cover letter for all job applications. The reason being that there are conflicting opinions on if they get read or not. Also, I fall short on cover letters because I usually don't know what to say.
Thanks to your advise, I now know.
Thank you. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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wavelength wrote: |
However, I am specifically referring to an offer than required the exact same credentials I have with only 1 or 2 years experience. Simply asking for an explanation of why I was offered significantly less than advertised is not a good reason to pull a job offer. (I even said "please.") |
You're dealing with a different culture. Recruiters often don't like to get into the "why" because it opens the door for a back and forth debate with the applicant. Plus, they may have decided you'd be a "difficult" employee and not worth further consideration. (Saudi Arabia gets plenty of those types of teachers.) Frankly, instead of asking why an offer is low, ask what you can do to improve the salary. That usually gets you some sort of response.
reddevil79 wrote: |
As someone who has hired teachers for the institutions I’ve worked for, that letter’s too brief and doesn’t do much for me. It seems like you’re sending the same letter to each institution you’re applying to, so how will you stand out? I can’t tell you how many generic application emails I received and I deleted most of them. |
I agree; it's so vanilla. The first word that came to my mind was "blah." However, for Saudi contracting companies, it's likely enough since recruiters will be more interested in the OP's degree, TEFL qualification, and relevant experience. Plus, these positions are at the bottom. Ironically, those questions tie into the reason why an employer ups the offer. But yes, down the road, for those better direct-hire Saudi TEFL positions, the OP would need to step it up. |
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