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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 6:27 pm Post subject: Dave Cameron is a winner! |
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Never thought I´d see the day when I praised a Tory politician on a public board but there seems to be more to DC than meets the eye. First, he saw off the odious Salmond in our independence referendum and then he predicted correctly, against the odds, a Conservative majority at Westminster in the GE. Now, it seems that Frau Merkel is so desperate to keep us in the club that she is willing to negotiate with Dave. Rule Britannia! |
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grahamb

Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 1945
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: Hero worship |
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And Hurrah for the Blackshirts! |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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You better believe it! Now we've got rid of the LibDem gold-diggers, he can spread his wings. Negative inflation, rising wages, just the beginning... |
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grahamb

Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 1945
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 8:22 pm Post subject: SteadyCam |
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To be followed by the re-conquest of the rebellious American colonies. |
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Knedliki
Joined: 08 May 2015 Posts: 160
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Millions of people can't afford to buy a house.
Increasing suicide rate.
Insidiously privatising the NHS.
Endless welfare cuts while the bankers continue to get their multi-million pound bonuses.
More food banks than ever before.
The Tories answer to dealing with falling literacy rates is to shut down and sell all the libraries! |
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grahamb

Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 1945
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 11:42 am Post subject: Austerity |
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Little Englanders are unconcerned about such trivial matters as welfare cuts and food banks. |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
You better believe it! Now we've got rid of the LibDem gold-diggers, he can spread his wings. Negative inflation, rising wages, just the beginning... |
Negative inflation? You mean deflation? Not good for people who owe money. Maybe I´ve misunderstood your post but you appear to know even less about economics than I do. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ignorance of how the Economic System works has never barred a man (or woman) from membership of the Conservative Party.
Mr Salmond and 55 other SNP MP are now elected representatives at the Palace of Westminster The clock is ticking. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
Phil_K wrote: |
You better believe it! Now we've got rid of the LibDem gold-diggers, he can spread his wings. Negative inflation, rising wages, just the beginning... |
Negative inflation? You mean deflation? Not good for people who owe money. Maybe I´ve misunderstood your post but you appear to know even less about economics than I do. |
I don't pretend to be an economics expert. I just know that for hardworking people, negative inflation and rising salaries is a good thing. Don't go all socialist on me - in a strong market economy, there will always be winners and losers, that's just the way it is. The UK is still an enterprise economy that more than looks after the less fortunate, and provides the right conditions for creating private sector jobs through wealth creation. When you look at many other, even first-world, countries, to pretend that the UK isn't in good shape is just the usual fashionable, left-wing whinging. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Phil_K
It's all relative, eh?
But perhaps the true measurement isn't against third-world countries (kind of a fixed game) but against what your country once was and/or what your country should/could be like.
In that respect, how many countries would "measure up," I wonder.
Regards,
John |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Dear John
Oldies such as I (we?) will probably always compare unfavourably with the past, but I definitely believe my beloved country is in a pretty good place right now.
Regards
Phil |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Phil_k,
Oh yes, it's we (72 and counting).
Well, that's fair enough. I have mixed feelings about my country: could be better; could be worse.
I just hope the future holds progress rather than regress.
Regards,
John |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
Phil_K wrote: |
You better believe it! Now we've got rid of the LibDem gold-diggers, he can spread his wings. Negative inflation, rising wages, just the beginning... |
Negative inflation? You mean deflation? Not good for people who owe money. Maybe I´ve misunderstood your post but you appear to know even less about economics than I do. |
I don't pretend to be an economics expert. I just know that for hardworking people, negative inflation and rising salaries is a good thing. Don't go all socialist on me - in a strong market economy, there will always be winners and losers, that's just the way it is. The UK is still an enterprise economy that more than looks after the less fortunate, and provides the right conditions for creating private sector jobs through wealth creation. When you look at many other, even first-world, countries, to pretend that the UK isn't in good shape is just the usual fashionable, left-wing whinging. |
I´m not an economics expert either, Phil. However, I think you´ll find that deflation (or what you call negative inflation) is bad for people who are paying debts. I also think the UK economy is in decent shape and certainly better than many of our European neighbours. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, it's bad for debtors:
"A second effect: even aside from expectations of future deflation, falling prices worsen the position of debtors, by increasing the real burden of their debts. Now, you might think this is a zero-sum affair, since creditors experience a corresponding gain. But as Irving Fisher pointed out long ago (pdf), debtors are likely to be forced to cut their spending when their debt burden rises, while creditors aren’t likely to increase their spending by the same amount. So deflation exerts a depressing effect on spending by raising debt burdens – which, as Fisher also points out, can lead to another kind of vicious circle, in which depressed spending because of rising real debt leads to further deflation".
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/why-is-deflation-bad/?_r=0
Link to Fisher:
https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/fisdeb33.pdf
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John |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Even as a non-expert, there are two things I do know about economics. First, that there seem to be pluses and minuses whatever the situation, and secondly, if you put 27 economists in a room to discuss economics, you will get 27 different (differing?) opinions! |
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