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gregory999
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plumpy nut
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An eyewitness has stated that as he was walking around, he was asking students if they were Christian. If the answer was yes he shot them in the head. If the answer was no he only wounded them.
Gun control is obviously relevant to all of the school shootings over the years, no question about that, but this more recent one if the above is true, may be quite a bit different. |
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buravirgil
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wangdaning
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| Let's ask why police are armed. DIFFERENT RULES. In Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, go on with it. Who are the people going to ask? |
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gregory999
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scot47
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| The NRA line is that more guns will make America safer. |
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johnslat
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Dear scot47,
You seem skeptical - but it's just science. It's the same as "more cancer makes you healthier."
Regards,
John |
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Knedliki
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After Port Arthur in Australia the gun laws were changed and there's been no mass shootings since, same in Britain with Dunblane.
People just accepted this change in the law because it's common sense and it would be utter stupidity to allow further such preventable tragedies.
America though.... |
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scot47
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The "Great Satan" ? Is there something that makes the US DIFFERENT ? Or many things ?
I see so many similarities and so many differences ! |
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HLJHLJ
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That data covers 36 countries. 3 are listed as having 'permissive' gun laws. 2 of those countries are in the top 10. 16 of the countries with restrictive gun laws had zero mass shootings. (As does 1 country with 'permissive' laws).
If you sum all of the 'restrictive' countries data together you get
Population: 916 million
Incidents: 22
Deaths: 175 (although that somewhat skewed by the 77 deaths in Norway).
Compared with the 'permissive' countries
Population: 334 million
Incidents: 39
Deaths: 234
Almost all of which were in the USA.
So yes, there are occasionally mass shootings in other countries, even countries with strict gun laws, but nothing on the scale of the USA.
I wonder how much worse those figures would be for the 'restrictive' countries if they didn't have those laws.
http://archive.is/f4gbv |
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buravirgil
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| HLJHLJ wrote: |
So yes, there are occasionally mass shootings in other countries, even countries with strict gun laws, but nothing on the scale of the USA.
I wonder how much worse those figures would be for the 'restrictive' countries if they didn't have those laws. |
I think you've shown that definitively, and pose a very good question. |
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Lack
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These shooters usually have lots in common, but somehow no one ever sees it coming? I don't get it. American society can be very violent and isolating and there's the dog eat dog aspect...it's tragic but not surprising that these mass killings happen.
Gun control won't help anything since the true issues are much deeper...criminals will always get their guns. If they cared about laws they wouldn't be criminals. Plus it's not realistic. The vast majority of gun owners are peaceful anyway. Outside of ghettos and mass shootings (which are rare) there isn't a gun violence problem.
Plus there's hypocrisy. U.S. government has blown up (and continues to) countless people all over the world and commits criminal acts under international law frequently. The small fries are imitating the big ones it seems. Difference is the big fry gets away with it.
I guess the Joker was right... |
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johnslat
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Ah, the logic: Criminals don't obey laws, so gun regulations won't work.
Well, that'll certainly help us streamline the Criminal Justice system. We can dispense will all laws since criminals pay no attention to them, anyway.
Brilliant!!!
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steki47
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| The vast majority of gun owners are peaceful anyway. Outside of ghettos and mass shootings (which are rare) there isn't a gun violence problem. |
Good points. I look at the entire history of the US. We have always been a gun-owning people, yet the high rate of violent crime is very recent (60s-90s). And although crime has increased in recent years, it is centered in a handful of urban areas.
-Most gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
-50% of homicides are committed by young black men (3% of the pop.).
-Many/most of the mass shooters had long histories of mental illness. I wonder what more cohesive social networks would have done to intervene. |
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Lack
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| johnslat wrote: |
Ah, the logic: Criminals don't obey laws, so gun regulations won't work.
Well, that'll certainly help us streamline the Criminal Justice system. We can dispense will all laws since criminals pay no attention to them, anyway. |
If you have some evidence that criminals do follow the laws that they break, I'd be interested in hearing that.
Trying to take away guns is a simplistic notion, a false solution vomited up reflexively by the liberal hive mind. I assure you that real criminals will not be impeded much at all. As for the peaceful citizens - the vast majority of gun owners - you can try to take away their firearms if you wish. Try being the key word. Molon labe.
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Good points. I look at the entire history of the US. We have always been a gun-owning people, yet the high rate of violent crime is very recent (60s-90s). And although crime has increased in recent years, it is centered in a handful of urban areas.
-Most gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
-50% of homicides are committed by young black men (3% of the pop.).
-Many/most of the mass shooters had long histories of mental illness. I wonder what more cohesive social networks would have done to intervene. |
Good to see not everyone here is a mainstream sheep. This is something that the mainstream simply refuses to acknowledge. These mass killers are usually lonely guys who have been pushed out of social networks - often they don't have friends and a girlfriend. There are often family issues too. The U.S. is a highly atomized and lonely society. It's a society set up as the antithesis of how people are supposed to live. It doesn't surprise me at all that these killings happen. Society isn't willing to take a good long hard look and figure out why.
This is why trying to ban guns will always fail to solve violence. The existence and availability of weapons does not cause violence. I know what it used to be like in the U.S. I've been told by people who were there. A time when everyone owned guns, and even took them everywhere. Students who would go into school and put their shotgun by their schoolbag. Yes, that really happened, or at least in parts.
But they didn't have a violence problem. Why?
People knew each other. They knew who their neighbors were. No one got pushed out into a soulless suburban existence. There was real community.
How easy it is to blame the weapon when the cause resides in the soul of a nation. |
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