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Lavender122



Joined: 07 Mar 2016
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:23 pm    Post subject: Colleges of Excellence Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

Has anyone here worked for any of the CoE? Cant seem to find much info. Is there a reason for the lack of information/comments? Wondering whether prospects in such places are good and worth trying for...

thanks
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murray1978



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for a COE from Aug 2014 to June 2015 in a small town called Al Wejh which is in the Tabuk province. I liked my management team and colleagues but the students were a bit of a drag.

My students were Bedouins who didn't take the school seriously and got their stipend regardless if they went 8 percent of the time or 80 percent. I thought the books were too high of a level for them because the majority of them were A1 or false beginners. We used American Headway.

At the time, my salary was 16,000 SAR a month but I am not sure what they would be offering now that salaries are lowering due to the oil crisis's.

From what I can remember, we had a professional development course in March of that year and I met a lot of teachers who taught at COE colleges and they were all in rural places.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lavender122 wrote:
Has anyone here worked for any of the CoE? Cant seem to find much info. Is there a reason for the lack of information/comments? Wondering whether prospects in such places are good and worth trying for...

Since you're female, you'll want to be sure to hear about the CoEs where women are teaching. As for the lack of comments, it may be that there are no major issues to alert others about.

If you apply, hopefully you won't get rejected.
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Colleges of Excellence Reply with quote

Lavender122 wrote:
Hello everyone,

Has anyone here worked for any of the CoE? Cant seem to find much info. Is there a reason for the lack of information/comments? Wondering whether prospects in such places are good and worth trying for...

thanks


Lavender122,

I am not sure to what degree you searched here at Daves, but there is lots of information about CoEs in KSA readily available at the touch of your fingertips.

For example, there's this one, a CoE based in Riyadh for Saudi males: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=114804 The German management was booted out recently and replaced with a British company - Lincoln Colleges International.

There is also this one in Qatif for Saudi females: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=111489&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0. And other links: http://www.lincolnksa.com/en/our-colleges/al-qatif-female-college/a-message-from-the-dean2 - http://www.lincolnksa.com/en/our-colleges

In the main, these CoEs in KSA are having a dismal time and there is talk of potential bankruptcies and potential government bailouts for some. The British and German ones seem to be the hardest hit mostly due to management incompetence and overly restrictive CoE contracts which are results' driven:

http://feweek.co.uk/2016/03/07/college-closures-and-debts-in-saudi-arabia-just-how-bad-is-it/

http://www.educationinvestor.co.uk/ShowArticle.aspx?ID=5082&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

http://feweek.co.uk/2015/12/11/providers-hit-back-at-saudi-claims/

Think carefully before signing up for one of these projects as they are dropping like flies and you may find your contract and general benefits are not honoured due to financial insolvency.

Good luck.

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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lincoln COEs closed and shouldn't even be advertising for teachers. Anyway, always research the specific employer before accepting an offer. In fact, do your research before sending off your CV.

Since you have a BA in English, try Prince Sultan and Prince Mohammad Universities for direct-hire openings.
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:22 am    Post subject: CoEs Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
The Lincoln COEs closed and shouldn't even be advertising for teachers.


Actually they are now managing the Technical Trainers College in Riyadh.

This is their new home page:

http://www.ttcollege.edu.sa/about/preamble-by-the-dean.php

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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but that facility is for males -- not useful for the OP. Razz
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:49 am    Post subject: CoEs Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Yeah, but that facility is for males -- not useful for the OP. Razz


Sorry I wasn't aware the OP had stated her/his gender, but I would say that it doesn't matter as all CoEs are on the same contract terms with the Saudis, and if many are hurting because of these contracts, it affects all the male and female colleges together.

Anyway, at least the OP has a bit more info and also a wider context in which the CoEs operate in the Magic Kingdom now. Every little bit helps.

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Amerrycan Muslim



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: CoEs Reply with quote

Balzac wrote:
nomad soul wrote:
Yeah, but that facility is for males -- not useful for the OP. Razz
all CoEs are on the same contract terms with the Saudis, and if many are hurting because of these contracts, it affects all the male and female colleges together.
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All the various providers are not on the same contracts and also have different standing with the Saudis...

The providers you don't hear about in the forum are better places to work than the universities atm...
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: CoEs Reply with quote

Amerrycan Muslim wrote:
All the various providers are not on the same contracts and also have different standing with the Saudis...


Actually they are all on the same contracts and the training providers are paid in four basic ways. It is irrelevant what the standing is with the Saudis as many have been kicked out already. Some are in legal dispute with the Saudis because the minimum numbers of Saudi students have not been provided to many of CoEs as per contract and so the colleges have been running at a loss.

Amerrycan Muslim wrote:
The providers you don't hear about in the forum are better places to work than the universities atm...
Here you may be right as sometimes silence or a lack of complaints suggests things may be ok in some of the other CoEs. But for how long is anyone's guess.

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Lavender122



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks all for your responses.

I have been offered a position but have been waiting around for my visa (for what seems like ages). The agency guy is very good and responds very promptly to any question or concerns I have. My issue is with my prospective employer. I was offered a position at location X but then was told that my location will only be confirmed once the visa process has been completed! Also, they dont even respond to emails promptly and have said nothing about the delay in visas apart from 'sorry'. Am I expecting too much to be given details about how the delay will impact students and teachers? Term has already started but they have said nothing about it......

I am new to the Saudi way of doing things, you see Very Happy
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currentaffairs



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CoEs are an okay gig. The horror stories are from specific providers and not all will be the same. Saying that, you can expect delay and uncertainty but that is the same with almost any job in Saudi. The visa delay is the norm and I have always had to wait for around 3 months from start date to get over to the promised land...
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lavender122 wrote:
My issue is with my prospective employer. I was offered a position at location X but then was told that my location will only be confirmed once the visa process has been completed! Also, they dont even respond to emails promptly and have said nothing about the delay in visas apart from 'sorry'. Am I expecting too much to be given details about how the delay will impact students and teachers? Term has already started but they have said nothing about it......

I am new to the Saudi way of doing things, you see Very Happy

Some companies manage programs and/or staff teachers at more than one university or vocational school. Contracts with these companies may simply indicate "project(s)" for the location rather than a specific university or college. It's why you see some job ads listing two or more cities as potential work sites. That usually means teachers are expected to be sent to whatever sites have the most need, regardless of personal choice. That may or may not be your case; you'd have to check your pre-employment contract. Additionally, be aware you'll sign your actual work agreement the day you physically report to HR. That will be your official start date.

In terms of starting employment on a specific date, it's not unusual for teachers to arrive after the academic term has begun due to visa delays and/or year round recruiting. But you'll have a clear sense of your start date once you have both your visa and flight ticket in hand.

By the way, I suggest purchasing a plain black abaya (preferably a lightweight one) while still in your home country, if you haven't done so already. Amazon has inexpensive ones.
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leggeymountbatten



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currentaffairs is correct - not all CoE's are uniformly bad.

There are some variations.

The best policy is to hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Or as the late Jimmy Savile would put it, "clunk click every trip, now then, now then, now then."
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rustyrockets



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of curiosity for those who have worked at any of the CoE:

Do you see this initiative as viable in the long run? I heard that some have already closed and many of them have a serious problem recruiting teachers (they are unable to find people with the standards they want and nationalities they want who are also willing to live in remote villages of Saudi, additionally some teachers end up running away)

Also taking into consideration the current oil crisis. Do you think that eventually the Saudi government will cut the cord?

Providing that these institutions provide education for what Saudis consider "simple jobs", Is there an actual interest among locals in following these careers, or do they do it mostly for their student check?
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