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Qualified non-natives, what are our chances?
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Jeff19



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:19 pm    Post subject: Qualified non-natives, what are our chances? Reply with quote

Hello, I'm Italian, I hold a degree in English from the UK and a CELTA. My girlfriend is Croatian, she holds a Master Degree in English from her own country and a CELTA. We both have 1 year of experience teaching in Russia(all ages and levels) and we are currently doing our second year in Vietnam(university position, Academic English).

What are our chances to land a good job in Shenzhen or Zhuhai?

By which I mean:
12000 RMB minimum
accommodation provided
around 25 hours per week
flights
summer holidays(too much? I have heard about jobs with up to 4 months of paid vacation)
and most importantly, a Z visa

Ideally we would like to start in August.

Thanks for your honest answers.
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baki



Joined: 29 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Qualified non-natives, what are our chances? Reply with quote

Jeff19 wrote:
Hello, I'm Italian, I hold a degree in English from the UK and a CELTA. My girlfriend is Croatian, she holds a Master Degree in English from her own country and a CELTA. We both have 1 year of experience teaching in Russia(all ages and levels) and we are currently doing our second year in Vietnam(university position, Academic English).

What are our chances to land a good job in Shenzhen or Zhuhai?

By which I mean:
12000 RMB minimum
accommodation provided
around 25 hours per week
flights
summer holidays(too much? I have heard about jobs with up to 4 months of paid vacation)
and most importantly, a Z visa

Ideally we would like to start in August.

Thanks for your honest answers.


Law in China says native speakers only, so it will be tough. You could make some videos to demonstrate your ability as a teacher and use that to support your job application.

Is there no reason why you can't teach English in Italy or Croatia given your qualifications? You have the advantage of translating between languages there.
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JB140767



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:53 am    Post subject: Re: Qualified non-natives, what are our chances? Reply with quote

Honest is best - sorry, but zero chance. The package you describe would be a pretty good starter for a native speaker, and China does really want the natives. The qualifications are, sad to say, of secondary importance to the passport. You might find a gig in a training centre teaching English, but they do not provide long holidays / flights / accom (generally). There are gigs with 4 months or more holidays you describe (I currently have 6) but, pretty much only open to qualified, experienced English native passport country holders
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm...I would agree with the previous posters that new regulations have dictated to only approve of teachers from native speaking countries. There are certainly teachers in China who are not from this list, usually illegally and not a recommended path to take.

However, in the ever changing landscape, there has been official talk of lightening the native speaking requirement in certain provinces to help fill demand. The teachers need to be able to prove a high level of proficiency which you should be able to meet. I would bet Zhuhai would be a better bet than Shenzhen on this exception.

I may be wrong, but I would think it would limit you to areas and positions that would not satisfy either of you. It's an area right now that is rather grey, and I don't think I would personally want to wade through it all.
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Jeff19



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your answers. Could you please provide a link where I can find a clear, straightforward statement about the legal requirements needed to obtain a Z visa?
According to this recent article: ...Having said that, many firms and public organizations (universities, for instance) are accredited to employ foreigners and can help you get a work VISA as long as you qualify as a “foreign expert.”

Depending on the field, you may need to prove you have English as first language and hold a Bachelor’s Degree (if you want to teach English) or provide a Ph.D. degree (if, for instance, you want to become a university professor).

http://www.saporedicina.com/english/chinese-visa-application/#chinese-visa-5

So, as I understand, as long as you prove your native-like level of English you should be able to qualify as a foreign expert and therefore obtain a Z visa.
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff19 wrote:
Thanks for your answers. Could you please provide a link where I can find a clear, straightforward statement about the legal requirements needed to obtain a Z visa?
According to this recent article: [i]...Having said that, many firms and public organizations (universities, for instance) are accredited to employ foreigners and can help you get a work VISA as long as you qualify as a “foreign expert.”


I really don't think a clear. straightforward statement exists.

China does not share the majority of its laws and regulations with the public. Further, their implementation concerning work visas is handled by different departments which interpret vague wording such as "should" differently and can have conflicting agendas. As the rules and regulations slowly work their way outwards from Beijing in haphazard fashion they are further interpreted differently at provincial and local levels.

China did a major overhaul in 2013-2014 and that has still not been fully implemented everywhere. Now they are attempting to streamline the process on a national level. Mid last year they rolled out the visa-on-arrival pilot program. More recently. this pilot program has been merged or is being replaced with the A-B-C pilot program.

It is at present a very confusing and cumbersome process for the Z-visa applicant. I personally do not feel it is worth the time, frustration and monetary expense to obtain one.

Probably the best sites to find accurate and timely information about these matters revolves around immigration law such as Law and Border and China Briefing. I would also google the subject with a time frame of the last few months and see if you can get some kind of consensus.

Best of luck!
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think staying with the tried and true is the best way through the current morass.
Check that offering school has right to employ.
Get offer letter from school and complete home country medical.
Send Z visa application, passport and supporting docs to Embassy or Consulate.
Get Z visa in passport and then arrange travel.
I know some of the 'relaxed' procedures sound attractive but months on we don't see any definitive process.
My China motto' 'look for the least-downside option in all things'.
Best
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Markness



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