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migo
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 Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:15 pm Post subject: Maximum legitimate salary |
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| What's the maximum salary in Japan that is likely to be real and not a scam, and after what point is it unlikely to be anything but a scam? |
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Gordon
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| I assume you are referring to eikaiwas. I'd say about 300,000 is the ceiling for entry level positions at eikaiwas. Usually it is 230-270,000/month. |
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Iwantmyrightsnow
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| If we use 250,000 as the average, if it is over 300,000 it is probably a scam. This of course depends on the exact responsibilities, etc etc. this doesn't include direct hire at a university or high school. |
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lajzar
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Usually, don't expect more than 270,000 a month, regardless of your experience outside Japan. beyond basic visa criteria, Japanese employers don't usually look at your qualifications.
The exceptions (where both qualifications/experience are considered, and where pay may be higher) are:
- university jobs
- private high schools (these will ALWAYS have a school home page)
- international schools (QTS or equivalent will be expected as a minimum qualification)
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- thats it.
I haven't seen any other legit positions that were accepting applicants from outside Japan, paid more than 270k, offered a full years work, and were not one of the above.
I believe Glenski will have more detailed information. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Iwantmyrightsnow wrote: |
| If we use 250,000 as the average, if it is over 300,000 it is probably a scam. This of course depends on the exact responsibilities, etc etc. this doesn't include direct hire at a university or high school. |
Just for the record, University salaries depend on age and qualifications but average salaries are around the 6-7 million yen a year mark, while some are higher. Eikaiwa is usually under 300,000 a month and thats the top end.
As long as the money appears on your bank account every month and the school doesnt fold from underneath you you can hardly call it a scam unless the school is an absolute den of iniquity. what are you going to do: give it back because you think he's paying you too much? |
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migo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the responses! |
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BenJ
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| A pharmaceutical company near Nagoya pays 350k a month, but it doesn't hire outside Japan. |
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Iwantmyrightsnow
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| Iwantmyrightsnow wrote: |
| If we use 250,000 as the average, if it is over 300,000 it is probably a scam. This of course depends on the exact responsibilities, etc etc. this doesn't include direct hire at a university or high school. |
Just for the record, University salaries depend on age and qualifications but average salaries are around the 6-7 million yen a year mark, while some are higher. Eikaiwa is usually under 300,000 a month and thats the top end.
As long as the money appears on your bank account every month and the school doesnt fold from underneath you you can hardly call it a scam unless the school is an absolute den of iniquity. what are you going to do: give it back because you think he's paying you too much? |
They didn't mention getting the job. I read the post as someone replying to an ad . These jobs often turn out to be completely different to what is advertised. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Iwantmyrightsnow wrote: |
They didn't mention getting the job. I read the post as someone replying to an ad . These jobs often turn out to be completely different to what is advertised. |
MY reading of it is that they believe there is a break-off point where if they pay over a certain amount there must be a hidden catch, or that you will somehow be taken for a ride or its somehow crooked.
There are low paying scams and high-paying 'scams' (but not many that I have seen as they would go out of business very quickly and such schools dont have money to throw away) and you can not tell just by looking at the salary. Some one who falls for one of these 'scams' has obviously not done their homework and research on the company before applying for a job with them. Even people call NOVA a scam, but everything in NOVA is covered in their contract and on numerous websites. If a person chooses to ignore stuff to get a job thats THEIR problem, not the companies. I might also add that if the person is underqualified for the position and they are offering too much, it may raise warning bells as well (not likely but could happen)
Do your homework, and if you have problems have union protection and make sure you know what you are signing before you sign it- you only have yourself to blame if you don't.
I might also add that in many cases (and this is in Japanese culture) where contracts are left vague and the employer will ask you to do things that are not in the contract or not specifically teaching related. They are not scams, but employers want the contract to be flexible enough that they can manage employees and teachers without having to dot every "i" in a contract. What you think is a scam and what is normal behavior in the Japanese work place may be different. It all depends on what your definition of a 'scam' is. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Maximum legitimate salary |
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| migo wrote: |
| What's the maximum salary in Japan that is likely to be real and not a scam, and after what point is it unlikely to be anything but a scam? |
The salary that was paid into my bank account was real Japanese currency, recognised by a real Japanese bank and used to pay my real rent in my real Japanese house and buy real food at a real Japanese school and was used to send my kids to a real Japanese school.
Now, you tell me when does a salary cease to become real?
Money is money, whether its pounds, dollars, yen or Israeli shekels.
Put your hours in, collect the salary that is promised in your contract and quit whining. If you dont get what you are promised get the union to bust their b_lls for you. Thats what they are there for. |
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azarashi sushi
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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The salary that was paid into my bank account was real Japanese currency, recognised by a real Japanese bank and used to pay my real rent in my real Japanese house and buy real food at a real Japanese school and was used to send my kids to a real Japanese school.
Now, you tell me when does a salary cease to become real?
Money is money, whether its pounds, dollars, yen or Israeli shekels.
Put your hours in, collect the salary that is promised in your contract and quit whining. If you dont get what you are promised get the union to bust their b_lls for you. Thats what they are there for. |
Bad day at the office? Fight with the wife?
I think it's time for a holiday Paul.
I expect more maturity from a moderator. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| azarashi sushi wrote: |
Bad day at the office? Fight with the wife?
I think it's time for a holiday Paul.
I expect more maturity from a moderator. |
Azarashi
Yes and yes.
FWIW I was invited to be a moderator, I didnt ask, and I think paladin and the others know perfectly well what they are getting. It was also run by Dave Sperling as well. So dont throw that stuff at me.
Anyway, whats its to you? I didnt have to sign a pledge of godliness to be asked to do this. |
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azarashi sushi
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| FWIW I was invited to be a moderator, I didnt ask |
Have you ever heard of the words "no thank you"? |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Maximum legitimate salary |
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| migo wrote: |
| What's the maximum salary in Japan that is likely to be real and not a scam, and after what point is it unlikely to be anything but a scam? |
My take on the OP is that he/she doesn't know if a job offer is legit or not. There are some agents out there like ESL Asia offering high paying jobs, if you pay them an up-front fee.
I would never pay an agent money to help me secure a job, the schools should pay to find a techer. Not everyone knows this of course and some get burned by enticing job offers. |
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migo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Maximum legitimate salary |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| migo wrote: |
| What's the maximum salary in Japan that is likely to be real and not a scam, and after what point is it unlikely to be anything but a scam? |
The salary that was paid into my bank account was real Japanese currency, recognised by a real Japanese bank and used to pay my real rent in my real Japanese house and buy real food at a real Japanese school and was used to send my kids to a real Japanese school.
Now, you tell me when does a salary cease to become real?
Money is money, whether its pounds, dollars, yen or Israeli shekels.
Put your hours in, collect the salary that is promised in your contract and quit whining. If you dont get what you are promised get the union to bust their b_lls for you. Thats what they are there for. |
I'm talking about advertised salary.  |
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