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gemair



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:36 am    Post subject: Ilan or Hsinchu? Reply with quote

Does anyone know of or recommend any elementary schools in either Ilan or Hsinchu? Preferrably not chain.

Also, I have read some posts by the schools below and would appreciate any comments on them... Very Happy Thanks!

Da-Shan English Language School
Hsinchu Royal Academy
Kang Ning English School
Michael English School
American Eagle School Hsin Chu
Ilan English school

~Kristine
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April1972



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Location: Hsinchu, Taiwan

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilan and Hsinchu are very different.
Everyone here will go to Ilan for sightseeing, and it's a very quite place.
If you enjoy countryside, you'll like it. And you could go to Hualien, the most attractive place in eastern Taiwan, easily 'cause it's next to Ilan.

If you want to teach in Hsinchu, you must have at least a BA degree. There are so many language schools in this city that it's easy for a foreigner to get a teaching job here. Normally, teachers from the U.S. or Canada are more preferable here 'cause Taiwanese people are more used to American accent. Even though you're not from America, as a native speaker of English, finding a job is never difficult. Very Happy
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is currently a travel/work advisory in the pipeline for Hsinchu after the armed attack on several teahers by an organized crime gang there. There is a new tunnel that will connecting Ilan to Taipei opening soon. I would recommend Ilan.
Good luck,
A.
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April1972



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
There is currently a travel/work advisory in the pipeline for Hsinchu after the armed attack on several teahers by an organized crime gang there. There is a new tunnel that will connecting Ilan to Taipei opening soon. I would recommend Ilan.
Good luck,
A.


Armed attack? I know Hsinchu is also famous for the gangs, but I didn't hear anything about the attack from any teacher here. Would you like to tell us more about that?
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MTurton



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no "travel advisory" or "official advisory" for Hsinchu. It is all in the imagination of Aristotle, who apparently has a desperate need puff up his own importance. The "gangster attack" was a nasty barfight triggered by the stupidity of the foreigner in question. Aristotle loves to write a lot of alarmist nonsense, but the reality is he lives in a different Taiwan than the rest of us.

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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putting personal opinions aside for a moment that ignorant foreigner was in fact 5 ignorant foreigners who were attacked by an extortion gang trying to raise the extortion fee for a business that was going to get large profits from the second largest computer trade show in the world the following week (Computex).
A large group of gangsters entered the establishment singled out a unfortunate couple then attacked them. The were both hospitalized for over a week with multiple stab wounds. The staff at the establishment all too aware of who these gangsters were, ran and hid leaving the patrons to fend for themselves.
The local police refused to even file a report of the incident after the required bribes were paid to both the gangsters and the police.
To this date the establishment's management has refused to surrender video evidence or file charges. The police have refused to even file a report and the victims are afraid that they might next be murdered.
Stay out of Hsin Chu Exclamation
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MTurton



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

C'mon, Aristotle. There's no reason to stay out of Hsinchu. A nasty barfight doth not a trend make, and police noncooperation is normal. Why must you always do this "OFFICIAL ADVISORY" horse manure? What drives you to write nonsense like "Stay out of Hsinchu!" Nobody should stay out of Hsinchu -- I am headed up there this weekend in fact, to enjoy the hospitality of my sister in law and throw rocks in the Baoshan Reservoir.

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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am headed up there this weekend in fact, to enjoy the hospitality of my sister in law and throw rocks in the Baoshan Reservoir.

Good luck,
A.
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gemair



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all of the comments. Does anyone recommend any schools in Ilan or Hsinchu? Very Happy

~Kristine
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ziggy stardust



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:54 pm    Post subject: re; Hsinchu vs. Ilan Reply with quote

Never mind travel advisories or throwing rocks in resevoirs (?) Fun wow! Hsinchu is ugly and boring. It's not Chinese enough to be exotic and not international enough to be expat friendly. It's just a drab, culture-less industrial city. Kind of like a Pittsburgh, Hamilton or Birmingham of Taiwan. I-Lan on the other hand has beautiful natural surroundings and hasn't been polluted by too many foreign influences. Best of all, it's relatively close to Hualian, which is quite possibly the most scenic place in Taiwan.

good luck and happy trails.
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MTurton



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: re; Hsinchu vs. Ilan Reply with quote

ziggy stardust wrote:
Never mind travel advisories or throwing rocks in resevoirs (?) Fun wow! Hsinchu is ugly and boring. It's not Chinese enough to be exotic and not international enough to be expat friendly. It's just a drab, culture-less industrial city. Kind of like a Pittsburgh, Hamilton or Birmingham of Taiwan. I-Lan on the other hand has beautiful natural surroundings and hasn't been polluted by too many foreign influences. Best of all, it's relatively close to Hualian, which is quite possibly the most scenic place in Taiwan.

good luck and happy trails.


There are no "Chinese" cities in Taiwan, only Taiwanese ones. Hsinchu is a great place to set up as a teacher because it is extremely wealthy and people are willing to spend money on English and on their children's English, so opportunities are plentiful. The mountains are right next door and exploring them is easy. I-lan is clean and beautiful but there is less work for BigNoses, and local incomes are lower.

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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I-lan is clean and beautiful but there is less work for BigNoses, and local incomes are lower.

I agree that is the case at present and their really is no way of knowing when the eight lane expressway/tunnel to and from Taipei will be open.
When it does however I-lan will quickly surpass Yang Ming Shan for day trips from Taipei. It will also attract large numbers of upper class who will want to live there.
I-lan is one of the few areas in Taiwan that are going to be growing in the near future.
Hsin Chu is dangerous and should be avoided especially by naive newcommers.
Good luck,
A.
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MTurton



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hsin Chu is dangerous and should be avoided especially by naive newcommers.
Good luck,
A


Aristotle, if you were any more full of sh*t, you'd have mushrooms growing out of the top of your head.

Here is some county by county crime data
http://www.hku.hk/crime/papers/mon-crimecontrol.doc

You will find that out of Taiwan's 16 counties, Hsinchu is ninth. By rights you should be telling everyone to avoid Taipei.

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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Table 1 Number of Offenses and Crime Rate of Sixteen Counties in Taiwan (1999)
County Offenses Known to the Police Crime Rate Sequence of Crime Rate
Taipei County 63,949 183.48 1
Taoyuan County 30,012 179.59 2
Hualian County 5,338 149.88 3
Kaohsiung County 18,307 148.99 4
Pingtung County 12,407 136.37 5
Miaoli County 7,448 133.04 6
Changhua County 16,900 129.65 7
Nantu County 6,911 126.82 8
Hsinchu County 5,363 124.47 9
Taichung County 18,319 124.24 10
Ilan County 5,502 118.24 11
Tainan County 10,119 91.82 12
Taitung County 2,278 91.53 13
Yunlin County 6,572 87.91 14
Chiayi County 4,698 83.27 15
Penghu County 647 72.50 16
Source: National Police Administration, Crime Statistics-1999.
Note: Crime Rate = (Offenses Known to the Police � Yearly Average Population) � 10,000.




Citing government numbers is not going to convince anyone. The police in Hsin Chu don't report crimes, thus they don't exist. The police collect their kick backs and the central government is none the wiser so long as they get their cut.
It is widely understood that the crime rate in Hsin Chu is one of the highest in Taiwan. It is openly and blatantly controlled by organized crime thus the police stay home and the gangsters run the town.
Lying in Taiwan is acceptable particularly from openly corrupt civil servants.
You don't need a PhD to see that the police in Taiwan are the biggest contributing factor to the growing crime problem.
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Okami



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MTurton,

Not knocking, just want a bit more explanation.

From my understanding and from what I've heard about the book Heijin. Hsinchu ranks as in the top 3 of gangsterlands in Taiwan. As much as it pains me to say Aristotle may be right, and I'm not saying that!! He might have a point.

CYA
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